Sam: Yes, its a common tactic called dehumanization, makes it easier to kill someone. Oh now now Sam don't get your moral barometer in a twist. It's not dehumanization or rather don't you think its dehumanizing to force a woman to carry a child for 9 months no matter how she feels about it? If you are pregnant (for whatever reason be it negligence, rape, bad timing, social or economic factors) and its unwanted it would indeed seem like a parasite. Everything a woman does once she is pregnant is for the growing fetus, I can imagine that if its not wanted then it would be a pretty traumatic affair. What's worse is a resentful pregnant woman not caring for the growing fetus or simply discarding of it once its born. Been to an orphanage lately? Fun! Childbirth is also life threatening don't forget that. Why is the life of the unborn potential more important than the woman's life? Sam: You have to pretty well fed and comfortable to think that far. Yes yes very well fed. John99: Either way the world will become overpopulated. Or at least what we view as being overpopulated because too many countries do not allow abortion at all and the people do not agree with it anyway. By now this is fairly obvious. Yes but that's not a reason not to have the legal right to abortion. I am not referring to countries where the right does not exist. John99: Saw a news clip where like over 40% of sexually active teens in New York (you can get condoms on every street, just walk into a store and buy one) dont use condoms. And they are getting all the diseases associated with that and obviously getting pregnant. Well yea many sexually active people are irresponsible, does this mean we want those irresponsible disease ridden people running around BREEDING? Can you imagine all those legs spread wide open popping out kiddies willy nilly based on some ridiculous sexual escapade? Bleeding the welfare state of resources? Its terrible I tell ya terrible No seriously I simply think a woman has the right to decide what she wants to do or not do with her body without some snippity waggy fingers placing a moral tag on her decision. Let's face it no one gives a hoot what happens to the little ones once their out of the uterus...just ask the Austrians. As for the death penalty, it beats paying to clothe and feed the undeserving miscreants. Ever see OZ I say let em fry! Actually I can go back and forth on the death penalty. Some crimes are worthy of death others just need to cool their heels and be re-directed. Difficult call.