Abortion and the Death Penalty

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cazzo, Jul 18, 2008.

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I am :

  1. For abortion and for the death penalty.

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  2. Against abortion and against the death penalty.

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    7.7%
  3. Against abortion and for the death penalty.

    11 vote(s)
    28.2%
  4. For abortion and against the death penalty.

    8 vote(s)
    20.5%
  5. Not sure.

    1 vote(s)
    2.6%
  1. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    I am sorry, Enmos, but human are equipped with better brain than animals,
    which implied that inability of providing proper care for children should not be
    used as an excuse to do abortion, because human are basically equipped with
    the ability to work etc.
     
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  3. Enmos Staff Member

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    How do you define a "better brain" ?
     
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  5. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    Capacity to read, write, make factory, produce goods, doing agriculture, etc. :shrug:
     
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  7. Enmos Staff Member

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    And if an animal lacks those skills it is ok to kill them ?
    Besides, a fetus can do none of those things.
    And there are animals that in fact do practice agriculture and that do produce goods.

    There are a lot of animals that have skills that humans don't have as well.
     
  8. Blue_UK Drifting Mind Valued Senior Member

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    I'm 'for abortion' because I hate children and I hate 16 year old mothers! [/generalisation]
     
  9. Enmos Staff Member

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    Inzomnia, I am merely asking for people to be consequent in their reasoning.
    If it's not ok to kill embryos it's definitely not ok to kill animals.
     
  10. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    Enmos, you did know what I mean. I am sorry, but this is ridiculous.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    See post above

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  12. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    The topic at hand is abortion (of baby). We aren't talking about killing animals.
    Not that we can't discuss about that. One can always make thread about that.
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    I think the comparison is important for the discussion.
    Sometimes you have to take a detour to arrive at the desired destination

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  14. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    Comparison of what? Or are you saying that animals' killing can be used to justify abortion?

    I am against abortion, except under some very very extreme circumstances (e.g. death risk of mother).

    I don't mind death penalty. I don't mind the guy who molested his daughter for years to be executed. He should.
     
  15. Enmos Staff Member

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    No, I'm saying that being against abortion is hypocritical if you think it's fine to kill animals.

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  16. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    good point. (hint: go to dictionary.com com and look up reductio ad adsurdum or more generally 'irony')
     
  17. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    To discuss this aspect with you and all other atheists are actually useless, because
    we have different view on hierarchy of living things. When I mentioned human as
    other animals, that is only from biological point of view (as flesh). I am saying
    that babies have right to live just like you and me.
     
  18. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Precisely. This is why I know God is OK with abortion or how could he put babies he wanted to live in the wombs of people who will abort them. And we know, we know that a loving God will keep that aborted baby in Heaven for all time. Heaven, foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever. A minute of pain is nothing in relation to that.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Does this mean that since you support abortion, you also support killing animals?
     
  20. Sciencelovah Registered Senior Member

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    As babies are innocent, if they die certainly they shouldn't go to hell :crazy:

    Think about it: all those poor people in the world, why they don't just commit suicide?
     
  21. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Ah-hem, this atheist thinks Enmos is being pretty batty when it comes to this and we do prioritize humans above animals.
     
  22. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Which is clearly what I said. All Christians should have no problem with abortion. The baby goes directly to heaven. It has no chance to sin and therefore cannot end up in Hell. More happy people in Heaven. Perfect.
    Obviously you can be poor and have sinned. Simple caution dictates, well, caution. Further you can't kill yourself, that is a sin. But if you are good and killed by someone else, you go to Heaven. Pretty simple actually.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I thought the Christian view was that everyone is born in sin?
     

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