Abolish the Infraction System!

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Plazma Inferno!, Nov 1, 2007.

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Should Infraction System be abolished?

Poll closed Nov 8, 2007.
  1. Yes

    49.0%
  2. No

    51.0%
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  1. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    Simply!

    Answer Yes or No. Those who are hesitant, should choose another poll.

    Poll will be opened for 7 days. Will of majority of members will be implemented as soon as pool is closed.

    We'll talk about possible consequences later.
     
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  3. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    It should be a question then plazma, not a statement. (?) not(!)
     
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  5. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    There is question in Poll.
     
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  7. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    O.k , thanks, my mistake, still learning the navigation.
     
  8. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Infractions are useless. I favour Insta-Ban.
     
  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    Never abolish infractions. All criminals must be punished.
     
  10. sandy Banned Banned

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    For how much I hate getting infractions out of nowhere for really stupid/accidental/unintentional stuff, I do think we need it to keep the inmates under control. Otherwise there would be a personal attack free-for-all.
     
  11. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    I would think the mods should each summarize why they think the infraction sys is correct or not.
     
  12. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    I say we start a petition to bring Satyr back for that very reason.

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    I vote abolish it. Moderation here has gotten biased and inconsistent to the point that no one really gives a rat's ass if they do get infracted; the mods are just wasting their time by administering them.
     
  13. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    The infraction system requires a lot of work, argument, and is generally treated like a joke.

    Better to have a simple banning system:

    First offense results in a one day ban.

    Second offense results in a two day ban.

    Third offense results in a three day ban.

    And so on.
     
  14. 2inquisitive The Devil is in the details Registered Senior Member

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    I was thinking of maybe something like a red flag warning for the first offense. The next offense within a short period of time, say two hours, would result in a short ban of only a few of hours. Each successive offense would double the ban period. After a set number of days, say 30, the bans would begin to be eliminated one by one, the oldest first of course. Is it possible to set up forum software to handle something like this automatically?

    I am trying to think of something to allow a period of time for tempers to cool, or to limit trolling posts. The current infraction system seems to only encourage abuse. A poster can make 4 or 5 offensive posts in a row without any real penalties, just esculating the situation.
     
  15. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I changed Spurious's VOTE to Yes, this is why even though it appears he voted No the vote is actually in the Yes group (At time 9 people on each option, 10 for YES and 8 for No)
     
  16. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes. It's pointless.
    Bit ominous. It would surely make more sense to discuss these beforehand. Can you say more?
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Chewing Gum:

    I don't think they should.

    Everybody here ought to have an opinion on the infraction system by now. Either you think it is a good idea, or you don't. If you're undecided, don't vote.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Moderator note:

    This is a serious poll. Off-topic posts in this thread will be deleted so that discussion on the topic can proceed unimpeded.
     
  19. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Initially I thought the notion of abolishing the Infractions to be ridiculous; I think the site would rapidly fall into en masse rampant stupidity without some modicum of control. However, there have been some good pro points made, and we've all either experienced or witnessed some questionable calls.

    I propose a compromise: peer review. Infractions can be meted out by anyone to anyone. Obviously, there would be some initial silliness and mass accumulations, but democracy can work, it just takes time. There would just have to be some adjustments made to the number of amassed infractions required to merit a penalty. The advantage to this system would be that over time, it truly would signify what the majority of members believe to be behaviour that is deemed inappropriate.

    vox populi
     
  20. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Tried. Voted out by the members.
     
  21. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    lol
     
  22. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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  23. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    Holy, I thought you were joking...

    Yet, if you notice, my proposal wasn't an option in that poll.

    Regardless, what happened to the members on this site????

    Nietzsche was right it seems... what a bunch of sheep.
     
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