A Universe from Nothing: Not that hard to understand.

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by paddoboy, Feb 3, 2017.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all. What of course is grasping at the edge of a cliff, is what you have been told many times by many members here, re your absolutely crazy pseudoscientific ideas and claims.
    You need to research quantum physics and theory, along with cosmology with the gusto you chose to claim research into the paranormal and other non scientific applications such as that silly Alien induced atomic war on Mars.

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  3. river

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    and you have to improve your focus on the OP , rather than going off on some tangent which is really about demeaning my or anybodies character .

    your character assassination upon anyone is old and quite frankly childish .

    in the time that you have been away , you seem to have not matured at all .
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Don't put on an act river, please? You claim some reasonable scientific hypothesis as "at the edge of a cliff" nonsense then get all uptight when someone reminds you of the many and continuing pseudoscience you claim as factual?
    You fool no one.

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  7. river

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    assuming I'm trying to fool anyone from the begining .

    I'm not .
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Good. Then when you claim some mainstream opinion is nonsense, because it interferes with your own beliefs, and someone points out the many nonsensical claims you yourself have made many times, take it on the chin.
    And of course cease making your hypothetical claims as a matter of fact.
     
  9. river

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    babble on
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not nice river, not nice

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    But any way, tell me why anyone should accept your hypothetical take on the universe, time and everything when you obviously are not credentialed in that particular area of science? Particularly when near all your claims are debunked or pseudoscientific nonsense gathered by reading less then reputable material.
     
  11. river

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    because it is about the idea rather than who says so .

    THAT is what is important , NOT who presents it .
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I agree...Obviously the ideas that Aliens conducted a nuclear war on Mars is total inane stupidity....as is any claim re inert matter having any form of life, before chemistry takes hold...Many more ideas that most would discard without a second thought.

    But of course when an educated credentialed cosmologist gives a view on a hypothesis, or a view on an accepted evidenced based scientific theory, it should obviously be taken with more respect then a view from some person on a public forum, who continually preaches Alien landings on earth, living rocks, ghosts, goblins and any other assorted nonsensical fairy tales, without any empirical evidence.
     
  13. river

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    that's all you ever have pad . no argument just go back to character assassination .
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Who am I assassinating?
    I am simply praising the real thing and admonishing the pretenders.
     
  15. river

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    what " real thing " ....
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You see river? Sorting the wheat from the chaff and other variety of nonsensical claims some like to pass off as "science" It happens here all the time, and most, certainly your past claims, would not last any time at all on the other forum I now participate in, as they are far more strict with nonsensical, unscientific nonsense when made as claims.
     
  17. river

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    again no real argument just past character assassination
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And for the second time, please show me that I have character asassinated anyone in particular.
    I said
    Or are you denying that you have claimed as fact, certain scenarios that are just not science at best, and probably nonsensical pseudo rubbish at worst.
    Yes I used the atomic war by Aliens on Mars as an example. Or are you now withdrawing from that nonsensical claim?
    If you are just say so, and I'll not mention it again. If not, then it is certainly your Archilles heel and you need to accept the criticism.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    While I agree with the above, the problem I find is that you have a habit of not presenting an idea.
    Your M.O. is to post incomplete sentences that are meant to seem mysterious but have no meaningful content - they're popularly called "deepities".

    And it darned sure doesn't help that you have revealed some astonishingly naive views of physics (such as the rotation => gravity silliness, which you still hold, but have learned to stop talking about). So it's pretty hard to take you seriously in the science forums.

    I don't wish your assassination, but I do wish you'd give up the mysteryman facade. People can tell when you're faking it.

    Anyway, that's enough about that.
     
  20. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    I see we are back to the same old shit as before. Fuck off you small dicked idiots or stick to the science and stop this fucking puerile arguing. you look like complete jerks.
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    A more simplistic explanatory piece on how our universe could have arisen from "nothing"

    https://futurism.com/proof-that-the-universe-could-have-come-from-nothing/

    The big bang is supported by a plethora of evidence. As such, the current scientific consensus is that that universe “exploded” into existence about 13.7 billion years ago. Gravitational waves, the cosmic microwave background, and the over abundance of primordial elements all add great weight to the validity of the big bang theory. However, despite all of this evidence, scientists are still left with a nagging question: What caused the big bang? Where did all of this stuff come from?

    Many scientists assume that the universe came from nothing, which is an idea that can only be true in light of quantum theory. Ultimately, quantum fluctuations could allow a universe to spontaneously form from nothing. However, without a mathematical proof, the idea that the universe spontaneously popped into existence has no real substance. And therein was the problem. We didn’t have the math to support the “universe from nothing” hypothesis.

    This is where Dongshan He and his team from the Wuhan Institute of Physics and Mathematics (WIPM) comes in. They have managed to develop the first mathematical proof that the big bang could have been the result of quantum fluctuations. The Wheeler-Dewittequation and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle are at the heart of this new proof.

    more at link......
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    As Richard Feynman said, "The weird thing about QM is that no one really understands it". Perhaps that applies also to this subject, which after all encompasses quantum weirdness and all that goes with it.
     
  22. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    • Private conversations are private. Do not post them to the public forums without permission.
    Please don't contact me like this. Say it here if you have anything to say.
    From Paddoboy.

    It seems besides your absolute hypocritical behavour despite our early "meeting" on this forum when we agreed to not carry over baggage from the old ABC forum, was all just hot air. Or is your hatred that great that nothing will stop you from attempting to throw the spot light on me? Perhaps the condemnation from me on the old ABC, and the stupidity of and your justification in using six handles over there was too much to bear?
    And I mean the language! Did I really have such an affect on you? The post to rpenner was not enough? Obviously it failed to do the job you intended it to do. It seems to be all getting to you Boris, or do you prefer one of the many other handles you went by?

    It's a pity though that your pretense in the scientific method and application of science does not encourage you to rebut incorrect applications and scenarios as put by river, but again all that hatred directed at me obviously overcomes any thought of correcting anyone with whom I happen to be in conflict with.
    You really need to take a step back ol fella, take a deep breath and understand that such carryings on, such pretentious objections to me and debates I happen to get into, is reflecting on you. I certainly will keep my part of our deal and have decided to send you a PM instead of airing your dirty laundry. In concluding Boris, I suggest you overcome your hatred and grow up, act like an adult, stop being such a hypocritical baby, and finally, really, If I'm having that much affect on you, then stop reading my posts....But of course you won't will you? Obviously for the reasons stated and that you and I know. You may get away with your crap here, as you did on the old ABC forum, but you wouldn't last a week at more reputable science forums, one of which I am now a part of. Perhaps you need to talk to a kindred soul in Zarkov, and of course he has his own forum. You should do well there.
    In concluding, I'll keep on doing what I believe best, and if that disagrees with you, well as they say, tough titty.
    ps: Your last post before the ABC folded, directed at me was a doozy, full of the usual childishness, language, insults and again just confirmed what I often said about you and one or two others from that forum. It was good though for a laugh.

    pss: And dear Boris, whether I remain here or not is still up in the air. My other position on another forum is far more tenable, and I certainly do not need to worry about any stalkers there and it has more professionals and certainly less hypocrisy as often displayed by yourself.
     
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    *sniff* Now we have that tantrum out of the way, back to some science.....
    from my previous link....
    https://futurism.com/proof-that-the-universe-could-have-come-from-nothing/
    "This new equation allows for some extremely interesting insights into the universe. The hypothesis explains dark energy, the energy that is causing the expansion of spacetime, as a quantity called quantum potential. Quantum potential comes out of the pilot-wave theory, which is a lesser-known interpretation of quantum mechanics (basically, a replacement or completion for quantum theory as we understand it today). Pilot-wave theory is able to reproduce all of the predictions made by current quantum theory, explains things like the Schrodinger’s cat paradox, and adds the quantity of quantum potential".

    the pilot wave theory:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave

    In theoretical physics, the pilot wave theory, also known as Bohmian mechanics, was the first known example of a hidden variable theory, presented by Louis de Broglie in 1927. Its more modern version, the de Broglie–Bohm theory, remains a non-mainstream attempt to interpret quantum mechanics as a deterministic theory, avoiding troublesome notions such as wave–particle duality, instantaneous wave function collapse and the paradox of Schrödinger's cat but introducing nonlocality.

    The de Broglie–Bohm pilot wave theory is one of several equally valid interpretations of (non-relativistic) quantum mechanics. An extension to the relativistic case has been developed since the 1990s
     
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