A solution to child rape

Another side to this is the possibility that most pedophiles, even those who force penetration on a child, would rather die than kill the child or hurt the child further than the actual sex act. This is probably why we already have few people who kill the child after raping them. On the one hand you have "law" that would force the pedophile into a situation where he is more likely to kill a child. On the other hand, you have an alleged rabid dog type human who will risk dying before killing the child. What then? I often have more respect for pedophiles than for the campaigners against them. I think that the child has more of a chance of escaping severe damage with the pedophile, as does society itself. What evidence? Satanic ritual abuse scares, abuse of children following the discovery of sexual activity, in the case of voluntary sexual activity we have the damage done by having the child point an accusing finger at his or her lover, and of course the calls for a far more violent society. In some countries the alleged victim of molestation is killed.

Those who have good reasons to forbid sexual activity with children can apply those reasons, appeal to the public, be respectful of innocent men, and thus earn respect for their actions and their views. There is very nearly nothing respectable about the drive against teenage and childhood sex now. Everything that was respectable was driven out. At one time it seemed like therapy would have continually reduced the number of children molested by helping the molesters deal with their problems. Now we don't have that. We have a system of child abuse that has been driven underground and made a lot more horrible. I sincerely believe that a lot of the people who bash molesters think "thank God it was him and not me this time."

 

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I wonder if anyone knows those details.

 

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MetaKon, why do you care about the rapists so much?

 

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Why do you?

 

I don't care the way you do. You want to help them, even to the point of asking what harm do they really do?

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I want them gone.

 

I'm not sure that you know what exactly you want done away with.

The reason to help rapists is because a lot of them, if they see the way out of their own predicament, will volunteer. They will also increasingly fail to become rapists.

Do you need someone to take revenge against even if they did nothing to you, or even if they did no crime?

 

Rehabilitation of rapists, especially child rapists has been proven to be ineffective. If you rape a child you should never again see the light of day.

 

What part of "preemptive strategy" did you fail to understand?

 

So of course you have the links to studies that have proven this scientifically. Or do you just listen to demagogues who refuse to recognize the successes that have been made in this field? If we can't get it perfect, right off the bat, no use using the rehabilitation idea, is that what you're telling me? Are you telling me that it is better to use an ineffective punitive system that itself exploits and damages children, that damages a lot of innocent human beings, and fails to reduce child molestation in any significant way?

People who want revenge will destroy whatever they think needs destroying whether it is rational or not, whether it helps them or not, and the sooner they destroy themselves the better because a developing society like ours needs them gone.

 

I think you're right on target Metakron (jeez did I just say that)? People can have weird sexual, violent, ritualistic / cult, authoritative, etc. urges and soceity provides very little in terms out outlets... and the results of not having those outlets are invariably destructive and never go away.

 

why should society provide an outlet for these monsters?! Let alone giving them an animal to rape.

 

Somewhere in all this was something about wanting to stop those "monsters" from raping children. The most preferred time to stop them is before they start.

I came to the realization that I would rather give them an animal to have sex with, to rape if it isn't willing, or even to tear to pieces, than let them touch a child who is not ready for sex. Any of these is a lesser crime against humanity.

 

They're not monsters until they actually do something destructive. If you don't give them an outlet then two things are going to happen:

1) Some of them are going to engage in destructive behavior.
2) Most of them will be scared into pretending to have a 'normal' life. They will get married, reproduce, and now you have more people around with the same internal behaviors.

If you do give them an outlet then four things are going to happen:

1) They no longer have to live in fear.
2) They can all get relief.
3) They wont be destructive to society.
4) They are far less likely to reproduce.

 

an animal as an outlet?! Why are you assuming that they will be sexually attracted to an animal. THEY DON'T WANT AN ANIMAL! They want our children.

what is wrong with a dead pedophile?
Its either celibacy or death.

 

Have you ever asked one? Also technology has reached a point where prothestic dolls and simple robotics could be of use as well.

That's one person whom was invested into adulthood and then removed. It's a loss on society.

The reality is that its scared people whom act normal and have lots of offspring with the same urges. All your solution does is add more to the pedophile population. I don't know about you but that is not a trait I would want my children / grandchildren / great grandchildren / etc. to inherit.

 

I haven't been reading much of your asinine posts. Aren't you the one who suggested sending convicted child rapists to holiday resorts where they could look at child porn to their hearts content? :crazy:

 

Don't bother with this knucklehead Orleander. Your persuasive debating skills are needed threads more worthy.

 

Hypothetically, we are talking about training people from childhood to seek one particular sexual outlet in preference to a worse one. I haven't even started to break down pedophiles into classes, or rapists into classes, and this is not a current project, but it is, for all that I can tell, better than raping any human, let alone children. Sexual frustration does lead to sexual deviancy, and really, thank God for the ones who go with animals already instead of children. I have read credible claims that the animals love it, too.

Orleander, I don't know how many of them want our children. I think a lot of them just want something. A lot of them don't know what they want. If they can gratify themselves, over and over again, using a creature that is not a child, treat that activity as a substitute behavior. Even if they are not particularly attracted, they know that they have a warm hole to get off in, they have something warm to touch, they might actually feel that they have found love, they can do this without damaging the animals, and when society blesses the activity, most will find it a hell of a lot more attractive and easier.

Stopping adults from raping children is the most important thing. Once again, I'm saying, that if society offers them a pleasure, which might be a much greater pleasure, you're going to get a lot of them taking that pleasure and hanging on to it.

 

Nice try Metakron, but I really don't see encouraging bestiality as any sort of solution to the problem of child rapists.

For one thing, many child rapists are not really pedophiles. There are rapists who gain pleasure from the act of forcing sex on someone who does not want it. For these people, children are a target of opportunity, and the fact that they are children isn't what motivates the crime.

Not all who rape children are pedophiles, and there is really no way of knowing what percentage of pedophiles (defining them as individuals who are strongly or exclusively sexually attracted to prepubescent children) actually act on their desires. I'd never considered this until it was mentioned in a Dan Savage column. He had given advice to a reader who confessed that he was about to get a teachers certificate, but he found children very sexually attractive. Dan advised him to seek help, and to not go into the field of elementary school teaching. In a subsequent column, he addressed all of the mail he'd received calling for the letter writer to be executed, etc. He said something along the lines of "This man hasn't done anything wrong. He did not ask for these desires, and he asked for advice to avoid acting on them. We want these people to ask for help. Who knows how many people there are who go through life as a pedophile, never tell anyone, and never act on it?"

Pedophiles who never act on their urges have my sympathy. That has to be a miserable way to go through life. But my sympathy stops when they lose control and act on their desires. But that doesn't mean I approve of Orleander's desire to execute the majority of Catholic priests.

 

There is no perfect solution, but anyone who can be diverted from becoming a child rapist is a net gain. I know that this will work for some people. And even then, what if it works to reduce the number of children raped by each rapist? Vaccines work largely by breaking chains of infection, such that you have fewer vectors each cycle. To an extent, fewer child rapes equals fewer people in the next generation who grow up to rape children.