A proposal to reduce confusion.

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Gawdzilla Sama, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    This might be a bit soupy.*

    The use of "conspiracy theorist" for people like those that say Sandy Hook never happened, cause fog because it implies that they have a theory that is of equal stature to theory proposed by people who know what the word means.

    To reduce that fog I suggest we use "conspiracy advocate" for those people. It's obvious that this is what they're doing so there shouldn't be any problems.

    Well, except for the Gold Medal-level paranoiac, of course.


    *Double pneumonia and influenza produces its own fog.
     
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  3. someguy1 Registered Senior Member

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    As Gore Vidal said, "I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy analyst."
     
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  5. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    He was also fighting out of his weight.
     
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  7. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    There's nothing wrong with looking at the arguments and evidence put forth. Some theories have turned out to be true. Check these out.
    http://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9130004433/m/6371082656/p/1

    Some of those are definitely true but I'm still wondering about some of the others.


    Here's how the conspiracy theorists look at things.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/weapon...ory-disinformation-agents-and-the-cia/5524552
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com.es/2012/03/radical-rethinking-of-conspiracy.html
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/31/are-you-a-mind-controlled-cia-stooge-paul-craig-roberts/
    http://www.tomatobubble.com/id196.html

    This has seversal parts.
    http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/821-why-do-good-people-become-silentor-worseabout-911-.html


    All of the people talking here have graduate degrees.

    Psychologists help 9 11 Truth Deniers



    Conspiracy theorists are thinking people. They consider people who don't question the official story of things to be "Sheeple".
    https://www.google.es/search?q=shee...rome..69i57.2359j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
  8. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    What theories that conspiracy advocates have put forward turned out to be confirmed based on the work the CAs did, please.
     
  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The moon landing didn't really happen and 9/11 was orchestrated by the government and UFO's and aliens are real...just for starters.

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  10. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Pull my other leg, it plays "Jingle Bells".
     
  11. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Here are some conspiracies.
    http://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9130004433/m/6371082656/p/1
    (The ones that go to "SpursTalk can only be accessed with FireFox. It might take two tries or you might have to click where it says "Details" to click on "Ignore warning".)

    Some have been proven to be true such as the faked moon landing and 9/11's having been an inside job. Some of the others are likely to be true but really haven't been proven such as the Manson killings' having been a government black operation or the Titanic's having been switched with the Olympic. I haven't formed a firm opinion on those.
     
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  13. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks, you support the OP.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Thinking is not a panacea. The key to reasonable conclusions is the recognition that our thinking might be wrong. Conspiracy advocates seldom consider the possibility. On the contrary, if their conclusions are proven wrong, that's just further "evidence" to them of a cover-up. The conclusion supersedes the reasoning.
     
  15. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    And close inspection shows that they don't care about the fatal flaws in their "theories", because their mission is to attack a person or entity, not to get at the truth. Calumny and slander is their mission.
     
  16. RADII Registered Member

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    When dealing with CAs [self-impressed CTs] I frequently reference an excellent study done by the U of Chicago Law, School, Conspiracy Theories [http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1118&context=law_and_economics] which in effect states what you have said (I think perhaps you may have seen it?). It further makes the inference that the strengths of said 'theories' is in direct proportion to the volume of their detractors. Oliver Stone take note!
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    These have not been proven. Please don't state falsehoods.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    All habitual liars and frauds are.
     
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  19. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    If they didn't post lies they'd have no brief.
     
  20. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    They have not been proven to be so. Linking to assertions does not a proof make.

    You can insist all you want, but since skeptical people are not obliged to accept it without sufficient evidence, what's the point in continuing to insist? You should just get on with calling us all sheeple and leaving in disgust. That way, you can spend more of your time frequenting sites that confirm your beliefs. A win-win for all, right?
     
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  22. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Histrionic Personality Disorders are common among conspiracy advocates. So he won't go away, he doesn't know how.
     
  23. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Your playing dumb about the proof doesn't make it go away.

    http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
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    9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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    The proof is very clear in both cases. You're trying to sway those viewers who don't take the time to look at it. You're trying to create the illusion of wide support on the internet for that point of view.

    http://www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html
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    4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs orteams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved.
     

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