a non-physical thing

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  1. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    How and how can this be verified in some manner.

    What you are describing so far seems like a problem in the temporal lobe.

    As an actual being, I can give you knowledge you don't have. I can do things independent of you. I can go to some one else and interact with them.

    There are ways of establishing my presence.

    Can you have the non physical beings come by?
     
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  3. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Irrelevant. I'm not most human beings.

    Oh, "god" has been for sale since the dawn of religion.
     
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  5. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    well what the hell do you want him for then?
     
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  7. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    so because you can not define god in a physical sense, you deny the possibility of him? if science adopted that philosophy it would have come to a screeching halt before it ever began.
     
  8. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Science started as investigation into phenomena that we can experience directly: i.e. physical things.
     
  9. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    we are spiritual beings. if you're limiting your understanding of life to what is investigated in a lab, then you're naive.
     
  10. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Supposition, unsupported by any evidence.
     
  11. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i have experienced god. so i guess it's my investigation. i'm impressed with the results.
     
  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i have witnessed spiritual phenomenon, as have many others. this is evidence.
     
  13. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Unfortunately not.
    It's entirely subjective, and unconfirmable except as hearsay.
     
  14. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    yeah well you wouldn't be saying that if it turned your life upside down.
     
  15. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Another supposition.
    Based on you knowing nothing about me, my life or my experiences.
    Personal experiences remain personal and subjective, not evidence.
     
  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Given that you experienced those things, how do you know it's god?
     
  17. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    Some spiritual beings I've experienced have been human. Some made it a point to let me know they were not human. And in regards to god, I certainly can't define it, but it all made sense. It all had meaning. To the tiniest of detail. The things so sorted, so seemingly random came together to have the most profound meaning. And I examined myself. And in myself I found god, and in god I found myself, and I found freedom. Sometimes I feel like I live in a world full of zombies. And sometimes I feel like I live in a world of people who are trapped in cages. And I see the pain on their faces. And sometimes I feel that cage around me. And god has blown my cage open. And I want to blow all of the cages sky high. To bits.
     
  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    there's the request for evidence
    there's the indication of a "knower"

    the validity of a claim of evidence by a person who "knows" is tested at the point of methodology

    If your demand is "I want to know but I don't want to apply myself" you place yourself in an epistemological paradox.

    It doesn't matter whether we are discussing the soul or the price of eggs in china

    :shrug:
     
  19. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    I'm open minded enough to give you a chance to make good on your claims and curious enough about the world to see what happens.

    It is unfortunate that all you offer is empty talk.
     
  20. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    We seem pretty physical to me.
     
  21. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think you have. I don't think you would recognize a reall god if he bit you on the ass. I think you just worship your fantasies of god.

    I'm not impressed with the results.

    So far all I have from you are empty claims.
     
  22. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    actually all I have seen from you is an insistence that the answer be in line with your preconceived notions

    IOW you haven't moved a millimeter in the direction of methodology

    :shrug:
     
  23. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Sure it matters. One is real and can be found out. Here you go....

    here in hunan province we pay .35 yuan for one egg. thats a bit less than 4 pennies for one fresh egg.
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042204848

    The other is not and all I get from you is worthless evasions, not even semi interesting ones.

    At least lori's evasions seem heart felt. You seem totally devoid of faith or heart. I'm just glad you are a theist. It would be embarrassing to have you an atheist.
     

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