a bit more basic than the usual thread, but..

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by SirJames, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. SirJames Registered Member

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    Problem (unit adjusted):

    A 1000 kg boat is travelling at 25 m/s when its engine is shut off. The magnitude of the frictional force fk between the boat and water is proportional to the speed v of the boat: fk=70v, where v is in meters per second and fk is in newtons. Find the time required for the boat to slow to 12.5 m/s.

    Solution:

    I assume the forces in the y-direction have nothing to do with the problem (Fn=Fg).

    forces in the x-direction once engine is shut off:

    fk=-70v

    fk=fnet

    so,

    fnet=1000a

    therefore,

    -70v=1000a

    or

    -0.07v=a

    if

    a=(v-vo)/(t-to)

    then

    -0.07v=(v-vo)/(t-to)

    if

    vo=25 m/s

    v=12.5 m/s

    t-to=dt

    then

    -0.07(12.5)=(12.5-25)/dt

    so

    dt=(12.5-25)/-0.07(12.5)

    dt=14.29 sec.

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    So my problem is that the book gets 9.9 seconds as the answer.

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    If anyone can let me know where I went wrong it would be greatly appreciated!

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    Thanks,
    James
     
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  3. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    \\(a = \frac{v_{1}-v_{0}}{t_{1}-t_{0}\) gives you the average acceleration but that isn't what you're working with, you have a varying acceleration.

    If acceleration is proportional to v then you have \(ma = F = -kv\) where k = 70 (minus sign since its decelerating). Thus \(a = \frac{-70}{m}v\). This is a differential equation and you use the identity \(a = \frac{dv}{dt}\) and so you have \(\frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{-70}{m}v\). Solve this with the initial conditions and you'll get your answer.
     
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  5. SirJames Registered Member

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    thanks for the quick reply!

    Dear AlphaNumeric,

    Thanks a lot for the quick reply! It's much appreciated.

    I did a bit of work from your advice, unfortunately I got the same answer as before! Perhaps, I have done something wrong once again. Below is my work:

    -0.07v=a

    a=dv/dt

    -0.07v=dv/dt

    -0.07 integral(v)dt = integral(dv)

    -0.07(vt+so)=v

    so=0

    -0.07vt=v

    t=-0.07^-1

    t=14.29 sec.

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  7. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    You've solved the equation incorrectly. Suppose you have the following equation : \(kv = \frac{dv}{dt}\)

    Bring all the v's on one side and all the t's on the other, \(kdt = \frac{dv}{v}\). Integrate this and you get \(kt + C = \ln v\) where C is the integration constant. Use that in your methods instead.
     
  8. SirJames Registered Member

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    ... thanks a lot!

    So, that's quite embarrassing.

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    Thanks though!
     
  9. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    I've done far worse myself in my time.
     

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