21 years for 77 lives, congrats Norway!!!

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Syzygys, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    actually some people would consider treadmill as a punishment.
     
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  3. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah sorry, I was talking about the media.

    & away from the media thing, do you think it is fair to just let him go even if he is no longer a threat? How is that possible? He is a terrorist, what make you sure he will not do it again? He swear to not do it again and then you give him a candy and let him go?
    Shouldn't he be excecuted?
    I don't call that justice.
    Even killing a child or a person for no reason (in case he is sane), he should be excecuted.
    Well that's what I think.
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Out of curiosity, which cultures do coexist? How opposed are such cultures?
     
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  7. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    This thread reminds me of a feeding frenzy. Is this the reason to punish people, because of mob rule?

    Can justice ever be rid of the mob mentality?

    What are the prevailing myths about punishment? That everyone who is punished is dangerous? That punishment rehabilitates them?

    If a man commits mass murder is he a threat to society? Is that why we remove him to the dungeon, or, more commonly in the US, the gallows? Does it have to be when the man is facing his victims and slaughtering them, or can it occur (speaking of slaughter) as in the fire-bombing of Dresden. Or the nukes at Hiroshima/Nagasaki? All of these are mass murder, no doubt, yet we only circle like wolves when the crime offends us in a certain way. Like the murderer who faces his victims and lets bullets fly as if he were using bug spray on cockroaches.

    I wonder, when people pronounce judgment, whether they sense that they are running with the pack in search of raw meat, if not in some barely perceptible way, or whether their nostrils flare and their eyes fly wide open and the adrenaline begins to flow and the gavel pounds and there's just this overwhelming sense of destiny, without the slightest notice that everyone is panting and salivating.

    Something akin to the metamorphosis in this murderer.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    That's a whole separate thread to itself,
    but I can't see why many cultures shouldn't co-exist side by side,
    if they treat each other with tolerance.
    Problems occur when one culture wishes to impose itself upon another.
     
  9. Balerion Banned Banned

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    An interesting thought: Let's say 35 years from now Breivik is a changed man. Let's say he realizes how foolish he was, understands that part of his problem was ideological, but also that part of his problem was mental, and has been taking the proper medication for decades.

    In other words, let's say he's wholly rehabilitated. Why should he not be able to walk free?
     
  10. Balerion Banned Banned

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    I agree. Really, the difference between this mass murder and the mass murder at Hiroshima and Nagasaki is the amount of people who believe each was the right call. You could say that Japan forced the US into action, but Anders Breivik would no doubt echo the sentiment.

    I just want to know if the offense we take at this man's "lenient" sentencing is based on any real sensibilities, or if it's just because it's so different from how the US operates.
     
  11. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Because he killed 77 people. His life is forfeit.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    he is never getting out of jail. unlike the US system in norway if your still deemed a threat to society which this fuck is they won't release you. before you rant about the failures of a foriegn justice system understand all the ramifications and possible actions.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    real easy to say that when your not cleaning up the problems that mentality causes. but yeah you get to feel all morally supeiror and these people end uyp being trained to become violent.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    people like you are always to eager to kill. to end a life is a grave act try treating it like that.
     
  15. Balerion Banned Banned

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    According to whom?

    Seriously, you have to do better than that. Why is his life forfeit?
     
  16. Balerion Banned Banned

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    His punishment is confinement. Even if he was locked in a day spa, he'd still be a prisoner.
     
  17. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, life is forfeit? Are you God? Is any human God? No? Thought so. So dont act like anyone has the right to "forfeit" anything of sort. He has every right to live as we all do, he however is a threat and we as people need to localize and eradicate a threat, by confining him.
     
  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    His Life is Forfeit! Any of you punks got any problems with that?
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    He should have a platform. The freer he is is to express his beliefs, the easier it is to decide whether he's still dangerous after 21 years.
     
  20. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know that. Would you bet your life on it? He might get out after 30 years... There is no point in evaluating him from time to time, unless he actually has a chance of getting released...And why bullshit with this evaluation, instead of just giving him 100 years? So before you understand the issues, blah-blah-blahh....
     
  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly my point. He should be, according to the Norwegian justice system. So people here who assure me that he will never be a free man, don't understand the whole system, or what it is supposed to do.

    Now my answer to the question: Because some people doesn't deserve a second chance. That simple... People who know me here, know my solution: Execute him and donate his body organs. A good 10 people or more could be helped by it, instead of a lifelond debate and agony...
     
  22. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    What's wrong with mob mentality? If a mob can commit a crime (let's say lynching), sure justice can be done with the same mentality...
     
  23. Balerion Banned Banned

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    So you're content to just keep rehashing the same argument without actually having a discussion about it? You never addressed my response to you. And why do you keep asking why they didn't give him 100 years? You already know the answer to this.
     

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