0 / 0 = ?

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  1. The fallacy is the implicit assumption that dividing by 0 is a legitimate operation with 0 / 0 = 1

    0x1 = 0
    0x2 = 0
    so
    0x1 = 0x2
    and by division with 0
    0/0 + 1 = 0/0 +2
    so we have
    1=2
    or
    0/0 - 0/0 =2 -1
    and
    0 = 1
    It is generally regarded among mathematicians that a natural way to interpret division by zero is to first define division in terms of other arithmetic operations. Under the standard rules for arithmetic on integers, rational numbers, real numbers and complex numbers, division by zero is undefined. Division by zero must be left undefined in any mathematical system that obeys the axioms of a field
     
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  3. yes but if some say 0/0 = 0
    then
    0x1 = 0x2
    so i put
    0/0 =0 there
    and
    i have
    0/0 x1 =0/0 x 2
    0x1/0=0x2/0
    0x0 x 0x2 = 0x0 x 0x1
    so we have
    0(0+2) =0(0+1)
    that will mean
    0(0+2)/0(0+1)=1
    and there is
    0+2/0+1 =1
    so
    0+2=0+1
    0=2-1
    0=1
     
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  5. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Ok. Aparently the original question is answered.
     
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  7. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    If 0/0 can be any number then it can be a prime, in which case other numbers are ruled out and vice versa.


    As to the equation, it's a nice party trick, that's all
     
  8. Steve100 O͓͍̯̬̯̙͈̟̥̳̩͒̆̿ͬ̑̀̓̿͋ͬ ̙̳ͅ ̫̪̳͔O Valued Senior Member

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    0/0 can be any number you choose, simple as.

    Although it is not wise to use such calculations.
     
  9. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, I choose 42.
     
  10. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    You're free to have this as an axiom, if you choose. However, if you study groups and rings (rings are groups with an added operation) then you will see that rings with 1 = 0 aren't very interesting.

    The moral of the story? We choose axioms that generate the most interesting mathematics.
     
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    0 cannot be added to, divided into, subtracted from or multiplied.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    umm your half right and half WRONG.

    0 CAN be added to, if i have no oranges and i buy an orange i now have 1 orange.

    0 CAN be subtracted IN CERTAIN CURUMSTANCES, the most ovious being money. If you have no money you can borow money which will mean you have to pay it back and your balance sheet will be in the red rather than the black

    0 CAN be multiplied, it just equals zero

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    its only when you get to dividing zero an issue comes up, even then its only when you divide BY 0 not when you DIVIDE zero.

    0/1= 0
    1/0= undefined
     
  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    No oranges doesn't exist. You can't add to something that doesn't exist.
    If that makes accounting easier, fine. But it's pretending for the sake of convenience.
    No. Nothing cannot be multiplied.
     
  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Do mathematicians actually agree with this, or is Yorda being humorous.
    Pardon me, my maths is not good enough to see the joke.

    Take the example of a suit, mentioned earlier.

    In a room there is a wardrobe.
    In that wardrobe there are socks, cardigans, and shirts, but no suits.

    In the room itself are a group of people.
    There are Indians, Thais, and Russians, but no Germans.

    Are we saying that in the wardrobe there are any number of suits for Germans?

    No. There are just no suits.

    0/0=0
     
  15. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    I've always wondered, multiplication seems just like a convenient way to do addition, is there any situation where this isn't true?
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Maybe. Since there are no Germans, there are any number of ways to divide the available number of suits (zero) among them.

    Consider:

    6 suits in the wardrobe, 3 people. How many suits does each person get? Answer: 6/3 = 2.
    0 suits in the wardrobe, 3 people. How many suits does each person get? Answer: 0/3 = 0.
    6 suits in the wardrobe, 0 people. How many suits does each person get? Answer: 6/0 = undefined. Or, if you like, there are an infinite number of suits available for each (non-)person.
    0 suits in the wardrobe, 0 people. How many suits does each person get? Answer: 0/0 = undefined. Since each (non-)person needs no suits, there are still arguably an infinite number of suits available for each person.

    Mathematically, though, it is best to say that x/0 is indeterminate, and 0/0 is undefined.
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Bull! If there are no Germans, there are no ways to divide the suits among Germans.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    SIASL:

    I don't think the example really captures the definition of division anyway.

    It's not worth arguing it.
     
  19. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    0/0 equals 0*(0/0) equals 0.
     
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