‘US Boat to Gaza’: chipping away at the blockade

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Apr 3, 2011.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No idea. I don't know any Libyans or Indians working in Libya [same reason I did not comment much on the Japanese earthquake because my acquaintance there went AWOL ]

    But off topic: I'm not certain exactly who the Americans are supporting. The problem with having a two faced foreign policy [the obvious and the covert] is that it is hard to tell the difference between "news" and news. I'm suspicious about the acknowledged head of the Libyan revolutionaries - Jibril - because he is the polar opposite of the invisible head of the Libyan council [the one with the price on his head - Jaleel] both ideologically and also in terms of Libyan representation; the one seems an American puppet the other more representative of the group and region.

    So, let us wait and see. I did pop into the Libya Air war thread and express my concerns

    Back to the Freedom Flotilla 2.

    I'm keeping my ear to the ground on this one. You may have noted the eerie media silence on all the demonstrations going on in Palestine since the Medan Tahrir sit down in Egypt. Or the simulataneous media silence on the response of the PA and Israel towards these nonviolent demonstrators [think "disproportionate"]

    The reason why I highlight the Palestinian cause(s) is because there is a tendency of the media to forget they exist. How many times in the last few months while reading about all the demonstrations in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, etc did you read about the daily demonstrations in Palestine? Or about the pro-Mubarak demonstration by the PA? Or about the disproportionate crackdown on demonstrators by the IDF? Don't you think that with all the media attention on the ME, at least one mainstream news channel might have noticed what is happening there? And associated it with what is happening elsewhere? The other countries are after all fighting just one leader, but Palestinians are resisting against 60 plus years of active oppression, much much worse than what is happening in Egypt or Tunisia.

    And has the US media as yet discovered this Freedom boat to Gaza which has been one year in the organising and making?
     
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  3. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    And if an agreement were reached that didn't involve cleansing or displacing or dispossessing millions of Jews, I can't see any reason to think you wouldn't complain that the Palestinians agreed under duress, so unfortunately I can't help you.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    That argument would hold more weight with me if over 90% of Indian Jews had not abandoned India after 2000 years to move to Israel. So where did the Jews from the Arab states go? And why did they leave at that time? Why not all the thousands of years before that?
     
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  7. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Why did Jews leave Germany around that time too? Same reasons.
     
  8. YoYoPapaya Trump/Norris - 2012 Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't know Germany was an islamic state
     
  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    For Arab states just look at the history of Saudi Arabia, the Jews were killed or exiled as the enemies of Islam. Why were Jews stupid enough to live in any predominately Islamic states after that? I don't know. I know what S.A.M. is getting at, antisemitism rose after the independence of Israel because evidently anyone that threatens any Islamic state or territory becomes an enemy of all Muslims. It's part of their belief system.
     
  10. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Finding myself agreeing with the Borkster again...

    I actually am beginning to think that it's either this or outside intervention-my whole "militarized strip down the middle" idea, where outsiders hold a coherent Palestine and Israel apart

    So, yeah, I think the one-state solution really is looking like the way to go, since nobody seems to be interested in physically stopping the two warring parties.

    We've been doing the peace talk crap since before I was born, and it just gets more Palestinian kids shot and more Palestinians dispossessed.

    Insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
     
  11. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    That is not the definition of insanity, I wish people would stop saying that.
     
  12. YoYoPapaya Trump/Norris - 2012 Registered Senior Member

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    It's not insanity, but it's definately either stupid or disingenuous.
     
  13. John99 Banned Banned

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    It isnt at all...That line comes from a Stephen King book. I am guessing most saw the movie though.
     
  14. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, it's an Alcoholics Anonymous saying...King probably got it from Narcotics Anonymous...and well, if when you drink or take drugs, you first get happy, then sad, then crazy/stupid/violent/barfing...and this has happened before...

    Yet you start chugging whiskey or snorting coke and expect something to have magically changed from the last time said substance turned you into an ass...

    Then that's insane behavior, no? Or at least really stupid.

    But I find that it's a good heuristic-y thing to apply whenever I find myself doing something habitually that's bad and/or not working for me. It's like, okay, I see a pattern here, and it's not working...let's try something else.

    So, with Palestine...basically we don't have peace because elements, mainly on the side of Israel but also on the Palestinian side, don't want peace.

    So those who do want peace (the majority of the world, the majority of the Palestinians) should perhaps stop with these peace talks that go nowhere and do something else.
     
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  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    actually Chimpy that comes from Ben Franklin.
     
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  16. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    That far back? huh.

    Edited to add...we're kinda going off-topic here.
     
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  17. John99 Banned Banned

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    yes. made famous be Stephen King.
     
  18. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    The first thing you should do is try something again! It works with computers, supposedly a deterministic machine. I guess initial conditions are never the same twice.
     
  19. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    So its ok for jews to ethnicly cleanse the palestinians but for the palestinians to be allowed to return( a legal right of all refugees) and have their property returned( a fundemental right of society. the violation of property rights destroys society) is bad? Why in your mind is it ok for the palestinians to be disspossessed but the jewish people who moved onto those people lands and many times into their home and who have zero legal right to the property can't be "disspossessed" (yes I put in quotes because its bullshit. you can't be disspossessed of something you don't legally own) of said stolen property?
     
  20. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    yeah to conqueror palestine throguh warfare when they couldn't get the people holding it trust for the palestinians to sign it over to them.
     
  21. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    well that's interesting...

    every nation has a million+ who don't represent the nation's interest.

    how "made"?
    and why jew free, why not christian free too?

    no country.
    not nobody.
    agree, peace talk with isrealies is not a logical thing to do, at least not in this stage.
     
  22. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    hmm, just a whim..
    would a Tel Aviv 9-11 do?:scrachin:
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    One of the interesting phenomenon I am seeing - from a sociological point of view - is how Israelis are reacting to international pressure on them re

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    alestinians.

    Since Fayyad made his announcement that Palestinians would be ready to assume statehood in 2011 - in case people here are not aware, September is when the UN is meeting to assign statehood to the Palestinians - Israelis have been frantically running around trying to take as much as they can before they are compelled to give it up.

    It will be interesting to see how they will cope with actual statehood - in my opinion, not much will change. Because Israel - like the US - behaves with the kind impunity that makes self destruction inevitable - and so, no matter what the advantages of a Palestinian state to them, they will never permit it to succeed
     

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