Part the First
If you want to win you don't use a candidate the republicans openly have decades of smear prepared for.
Actually, this election ends up being proof of a lie. The way it works is that once upon a time when we tried to address ideas like American racism and supremacism, we met resistance much like we hear about police, that you can't condemn the whole for the actions of a mere few. It gets a lot more complicated, of course, when we have weird laws in place that result in prosecutors saying they can't even overcome the burden of good faith in order to charge perjury because, you know,
he lied in good faith, but the underlying point is the same:
There is a lot more bad faith than we were supposed to believe.
And, you know, you've seen it in your lifetime; you've even taken part whether you want to or not―calm down, egomaniac, we all do.
Besides, your argument on this point doesn't make sense, anyway, at least
according to the numbers↱. Something else went wrong. And it turns out Donald Trump was right: There was an unaccounted supremacist reservoir in the vote.
Never attribute malice what can be attributed to idiocy.
The two are not mutually exclusive, to the one; and, to the other, that's the kind of (
ahem!) elitism that gets liberal discourse mauled. I've been through this cycle with conservative voters too many times, already, so it's really hard to trust them about these things, anyway; this time, though, it was pretty damn naked―these people have no fucking excuse.
They argue that because Trump was not a politician and openly claimed to have bought off politicians that makes him the perfect weapon against corrupt politicians... don't ask me to explain that logic further, because that is as far as I could comprehend.
You're not supposed to comprehend; the explanation was never intended to make sense, explain anything, or accomplish any use other than telling you to fuck off without saying the words.
Or ... actually, yeah, there's this:
Your preaching to the choir there. Yes obviously I agree, the problem is THEY see him as anti-establishment and THEY see him as somehow giving a fuck about them ....
No, they don't. That's just the excuse they give us. If it was more than a cheap, overworn excuse they ought to be up in arms about the show he's putting on.
WE (and I mean liberals and democrats) failed to show how he was the very source of establishment corruption, and the quintessential "fuck the people" businessman. Certainly it would have been a whole lot easier had we been running an anti-establishment candidate to compare him against.
I'll meet you halfway on failing to drive the stake, because the president-elect's lawyer basically admitted, once upon a time, that Donald Trump is a rapist. But that's the thing―
Had we run Bernie or Warren who have been independent or limited political experience and lots of record of being against "the establishment" Wallstreet, etc, we would have had a better chance.
―this wasn't about policy. This was about uppity women and black people and queers. Democrats have some reckoning to undertake about their ideas of general human decency; they actually believed in American exceptionalism and virtue, which are, generally speaking, nothing more than lip service, and now, after this conservative victory, not even that for being an impossible sell.
Though who knows? Maybe Bernie Sanders was onto something when he went attacked black voters. Maybe attacking Southern blacks would have won him Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania.
Well they presently think they are getting the "drain the swamp" trump they wanted him for ...
We'll see how it all goes. As he prepares to bulwark entrenched interests, the noise and fury is supposed to be about Mitt Romney because Kellyanne Conway said watch the birdie?
Like I said, I doubt what they tell us. If they think they're getting the drainage they voted for, then what the hell did they actually vote for?
Oh, right: Supremacism and bigotry.
... and when pointing out, his cabinet picks and back tracking, they start denying the reality before them or openly start showing signs of buyers remorse. We will have to wait and see though after 4 years of Trump, what promises he manages to keep, like I said.
Buyer's remorse? Or do you mean they will blame it on Democrats, and you will say they have a point, just like one person's lies equal another person's baggage. That's your contribution, sir. No, seriously, after decades of them trying to tell us Democrats elected Donald Trump, are you going to believe them on that one, too?
I don't care what you think, unless your a party member and vote on party issues? I don't care if you think it "empowers conservative mayham and infamy" I care about winning next time and if that means we need to make some honest painful and detailed review of ourselves, so be it.
Well, it seems the part about honesty causes you some pain.
Whenever someone says, "I'm not a _____", but reiterates the position for "_____", anyway, it might be important. There is some other reason why you need to legitimize dishonesty. I can only wonder what it is.
I said it before in 2008, she has too much baggage, I voted for Obama, Obama won the primary and we won the presidency, gloriously, against a very respectable moderate John McCain (and his bag of hair on fire vice), Obama even won a second term against the Mormon prophesy no less.
Once again in 2016, WAY TOO MUCH BAGGAGE I said, I first tried to get Warren to run but she refused, she did NOT want to go up against Hillary, no one in the party wanted to. Then Bernie jumped in and was getting all this attention and enthusiasm and individual donors, so I voted for him, well I lost the primary, sucked it up, campaigned for Hillary, figure if she was going to win it would have to be against somethings as clownish as Trump, nope, turns out Hillary could not even do that.
Yeah, see, that's the thing. This is
you we're talking about, and we get how you feel. And the fact that you're willing to empower Republican dishonesty that way, to legitimize it, just so you can feel good about the fact that
She has been stopped, is actually kind of disgusting, dude.
―End Part I―
