Opinion on Marijuana

View on weed

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Knowledge91 said:
I disagree. As a advocate for pot I would say once you have used the drug enough you can seek out the next best thrill (i.e. shrooms, crack, ecstasy), especially if you started using pot at a young age like 13-15.
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I know of about 25 people who started smoking weed aged under 16.
10 years later, and 4 of these still smoke every day, while another 5-6 have a little dabble now and again. None of them have ever used cocaine or heroin, and only 3/4 used ecstasy for a small period around the age of 17/18.

This proves you wrong.
The fact that you are unaware of the potential differences in strains of weed tells me that your not as well informed as you think about this subject.


Apparantly:
50% of 16-29 yr olds in the UK have tried pot at least once. (2011)
Skunk is the common strain (GM – with 5 times more THC)
In the late 90s less that 10% of pot was skunk in the UK, while in 2010 80% was.
 
drumbeat said:
I know of about 25 people who started smoking weed aged under 16.
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I knew roughly 50 people who used marijuana in the 7th grade, the majority use more potent drugs 8 years later.

10 years later, and 4 of these still smoke every day, while another 5-6 have a little dabble now and again. None of them have ever used cocaine or heroin, and only 3/4 used ecstasy for a small period around the age of 17/18.
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This is a terribly small sample size. Plus you are what, 25? You have plenty of time to advance your drug use.

This proves you wrong.
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Im never wrong :cool:

The fact that you are unaware of the potential differences in strains of weed tells me that your not as well informed as you think about this subject.
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But, I am aware of the different strains in weed.. im curious to as what there different effects are.. must I ask again?
 
spidergoat said:
I think that craze will be self limiting. Cultures always react to new drugs that way, there is an initial enthusiasm, and then later we learn to use it in the proper context.
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Ecstasy has been around a long time. The craze will kill itself out.. literally.
 
Not that long in human history, and I've heard deaths are rare. But it isn't the kindest drug as far as hangover and side effects, that's why I think it will remain on the fringes of society.
 
Knowledge91 said:
I knew roughly 50 people who used marijuana in the 7th grade, the majority use more potent drugs 8 years later.

This is a terribly small sample size. Plus you are what, 25? You have plenty of time to advance your drug use.
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So a bunch of 13 year olds used weed and now age 21ish they use other things.

Come back to me when they are 25/30 and tell me they have all progressed to heroin. :rolleyes:

More likely is that many will have knocked it on the head by then. Almost all teenagers try drugs, a few keep it up while still young adults, and even fewer carry it on into middle age.
 
When I was a kid, we always associated "Skunk" with below par weed. It was considered pretty shitty stuff. They had other names for the good stuff.
 
Bowser said:
When I was a kid, we always associated "Skunk" with below par weed. It was considered pretty shitty stuff. They had other names for the good stuff.
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Even in the 90s this may have been the case. Nowadays though, the GM 'skunk' is very strong and it saturates the market.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15225270
Today it was reported the in Netherlands its now illegal to sell the super-strength stuff that has become the norm.


(for the record I haven't touched any of it for 6/7 years.)
 
drumbeat said:
Even in the 90s this may have been the case. Nowadays though, the GM 'skunk' is very strong and it saturates the market.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15225270
Today it was reported the in Netherlands its now illegal to sell the super-strength stuff that has become the norm.


(for the record I haven't touched any of it for 6/7 years.)
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Now that's actually funny, the first people to complain about GM foods were stereotyped as being "pot smoking tree hugging hippies", but nowadays most of these people are hypocritically smoking GM Cannabis. Looks like "the man won", one way or another.

In fact I'm suprised governments haven't done like Monsanto and generated a genetic derivative of Cannabis so that it cross pollinates other species and allows them to pull patent infringements on anyone growing the particular GM. Yes no longer would it all be about Narc's at your door, but a pinstripe suited lawyer readying legal action in the name of large corporations or governments.

It doesn't matter how illegal or legal the substance is made if it's all boils down to patent infringements.
 
lol

The hippy 'no GM' crew are a different breed to the dope-smoking kid on his PS3. It's not the 60's anymore.
 
OK. That story in your link is more about the new right - wing conservative government in the Netherlands than it is about cannabis. They were primarily elected out of fear of the many immigrants flooding into the Netherlands than for anything else, but their agenda is the usual right - wing one. That's OK though, as tourists will find another destination soon enough.

...Skunk is the common strain (GM – with 5 times more THC)...
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Uh...lets get a bit more accurate here as this is not a penny - dreadful tabloid and we try to at least pretend to be somewhat scientific about things here sometimes. :eek:

"California Skunk # 1" was originally bred by "Sam the Skunk Man" from plant stock originating in the Hindu Kush. It is primarily known for its smell which is much like that of a skunk. While it is more potent than the the US federal government's baseline measure taken from early 1970's schwag weed which was about 4.5% Delta - 9 Tetrahydrocannabinol, it is not the most potent cannabis by any means. The most potent strains available are touted to run as high as 25% THC, though most miss that mark by quite a bit. To achieve that level of potency the grower has to jump through a lot of horticultural hoops that many simply cannot do, so they fail to get that result.

All that increased potency means is that the user consumes less of the product to achieve the desired results so they are exposed to less health risk if they smoke it. Since not a single death has ever been caused by cannabis consumption there appears not to be any harm from that - especially when regular strength Tylenol will kill you quite dead with a very minimal overdose.

There are many strains of "skunk" these days, typical are strains like "Golden Skush" a cross between Skunk #1 and Golden Kush, a squat, heavy indica strain that goes bright yellow when ripe.

No, "Skunk" is political speak for decent reefer. The term originated in the UK as part of the Conservatives effort to re - criminalize cannabis after the courts reclassified it due to cannabis demonstrable medicinal qualities. Judy was brought into the court to testify from her gurney after Alan was busted for supplying her with meds for her debilitating Multiple Sclerosis and the result was the reclassification of cannabis in the UK. Ever since, the Conservatives have been trying very hard to reverse the courts decision. They depend heavily on pseudo - science and scare tactics, as always.

Similarly, Terry was given his cannabis back (he was busted for possession of 1 cannabis plant on the balcony of his Toronto apartment) after the Ontario court "read down" the Provincial laws against cannabis use as constituting "cruel and unusual" treatment of individuals with serious medical problems that could be successfully addressed with cannabis. (In Terry's case is was grande mal seizures that were not stopped by his 4 standard scripts without cannabis) Now products like "Sativex" throat spray (prescribed for MS sufferers) are available to ill persons in Canada. This despite the Canadian Conservatives ongoing efforts to follow Great Britons lead and reclassify cannabis again.

Here is a copy of the seed list from a popular online vendor:



Afghan Haze 1 x PCK
Afghan Haze 2 x MH
Afghan Haze 2 x SSH
Afghan Haze 3 x SSH
Afghan Haze 4 x MH
AK47 x Blockhead
Blockhead F2
Deep Congo x PCK
Destroyer x PCK
Golden Tiger 1 x PCK
Golden Tiger 2 x PCK
Golden Tiger 3 x PCK
Golden Tiger 4 x PCK
Harmony x BH
Jack Herer x PCK
Mango Haze 1 F2
Mango Haze 2 F2
Mango Haze 3 F2
Mango Hz 3 x PCK
Mango Hz 5 x PCK
Mango Hz 3 x SSH
Mix
Neville's Haze x SSH
OT1/DC x SSH
Sensi Star x BH
SSH 1 x PCK
SSH 2 x PCK
SSH 3 x PCK
Trainwreck x PCK
Trainwreck Bx3 x PCK
Warlock x BH

These ^ are strains that are on the market right now. You will notice that there is not a single one titled "skunk". While California Skunk #1 was popular 20 years ago, it is not so now. Further, there are medicinal strains available now that are so high in cannabidiol (CBD) and so low in tetrahydrocannibinol (THC) that you wouldn't get high if you consumed it.

As always, I will be glad to cite my sources, though by now you all should know them by heart.
 
The thing is, being illegal here, no one buys online from vendors. Everyone that's not close to the supply gets it from a mate of a mate and its basically any old stuff, sometimes homegrown, sometimes smuggled.

The various names and brands don't mean anything to the everyman, who more often than not refer to most weed now as skunk. It's rare to find something like the old stuff that was just normal weed.
 
drumbeat said:
And they would be idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
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Marijuana serves as a gateway to the world of illegal drugs in which youths have greater opportunity and are under greater social pressure to try other illegal drugs. This, to me, is very possible and the only way I think that the statement is somewhat true. I remember once when pot wasn't available for some reason or other but "downers" were. That lead to some people trying those pills out because they couldn't get their "high" without pot.
 
drumbeat said:
What other way could the statement be read?
Have you read the rest of the thread?
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It could have meant that the drug THC that is contained within marijuana could become addictive in some way, that's not true, that's the other way that it could be thought about.
 
Ah OK.

My gripe with the 'gateway' thing is that if a person is going to want to try everything then it is irrelevant which one they try first. Because weed is supposed to be easier to get hold of it is usually the one that people try first.

In other circles coke or ecstasy is the easiest to get hold of, but people don't mention that. Lots of highflyers sniff coke, and wouldn't know where to start getting pot even if they wanted to, and vice versa.
 
drumbeat said:
Ah OK.

My gripe with the 'gateway' thing is that if a person is going to want to try everything then it is irrelevant which one they try first. Because weed is supposed to be easier to get hold of it is usually the one that people try first.

In other circles coke or ecstasy is the easiest to get hold of, but people don't mention that. Lots of highflyers sniff coke, and wouldn't know where to start getting pot even if they wanted to, and vice versa.
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Everything was available when I was a kid, but I started with weed and moved on to other drugs from there. My son, on the other hand, never tried anything except weed and alcohol. I think it was a gateway drug for me, but that doesn't hold true for everyone who smokes it.
 
Stoniphi said:
Here is a copy of the seed list from a popular online vendor:



Afghan Haze 1 x PCK
Afghan Haze 2 x MH
Afghan Haze 2 x SSH
Afghan Haze 3 x SSH
Afghan Haze 4 x MH
AK47 x Blockhead
Blockhead F2
Deep Congo x PCK
Destroyer x PCK
Golden Tiger 1 x PCK
Golden Tiger 2 x PCK
Golden Tiger 3 x PCK
Golden Tiger 4 x PCK
Harmony x BH
Jack Herer x PCK
Mango Haze 1 F2
Mango Haze 2 F2
Mango Haze 3 F2
Mango Hz 3 x PCK
Mango Hz 5 x PCK
Mango Hz 3 x SSH
Mix
Neville's Haze x SSH
OT1/DC x SSH
Sensi Star x BH
SSH 1 x PCK
SSH 2 x PCK
SSH 3 x PCK
Trainwreck x PCK
Trainwreck Bx3 x PCK
Warlock x BH

These ^ are strains that are on the market right now. You will notice that there is not a single one titled "skunk". While California Skunk #1 was popular 20 years ago, it is not so now. Further, there are medicinal strains available now that are so high in cannabidiol (CBD) and so low in tetrahydrocannibinol (THC) that you wouldn't get high if you consumed it.

As always, I will be glad to cite my sources, though by now you all should know them by heart.
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I would like a link to that online vendor. :D
 
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