HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter

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Asguard said:
HDDVD was dead the second Blue ray was put into playstation 3. Once that happened you had a whole section of the market basically getting there blueray players for free (because they bought it as a game console not a DVD player)
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So how come with all those Blu Ray players in PS3s out there, sales of disks are quite weak, at between 10 to 12% of market share?

Also, how much does a PS3 cost? More than an X-Box with a DVD player, so that Blu Ray device perhaps wasn't so 'free'.

What is the best selling console btw? Oh, it's the Wii, sans Blu Ray.

So in the market, consoles with Blu Ray aren't at more than 50%, so all of those kids, are using them to watch what? Oh, regular DVDs.

Regular DVD is still king, and there's still room for a new prince.
 
i went blu - ray because i think it looks nicer, and that is the only reason why i bought a PS3, my only problem i have with blu-ray discs are, "why are they so damn expensive compared to ordinary DVD's"?
 
Asguard said:
HDDVD was dead the second Blue ray was put into playstation 3. Once that happened you had a whole section of the market basically getting there blueray players for free (because they bought it as a game console not a DVD player)
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Yeah, that's pretty much it. Sony had sold over 6 million PS3s (each of which was also a blue-ray player) before even 1 million HD DVD players were sold. That more or less killed HDDVD before it could even get off the ground.
phlogistician said:
So how come with all those Blu Ray players in PS3s out there, sales of disks are quite weak, at between 10 to 12% of market share?
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Because blue-ray disks are far more expensive than DVDs. But you can bet that if someone is going to buy a high-definition disk, it's going to be a blue-ray rather than an HDDVD.
 
phlogistician said:
I am talking about distribution of media. I don't give a shit how you feel you need to ringfence the debate to try and make your points valid. It's a broad marketplace, so it needs to be a broad debate. You are trying to corral this into a HD DVD vs Blue Ray two horse race, well it isn't. Blu Ray hasn't won anything until it has more than 50% market share. While it is merely a niche product, it can be easily supplanted. HD DVD is just one contender for that.
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So, just to clarify, you're stating that BluRay hasn't won the format war and is now the only HD disk that is sold?

~String
 
Nasor said:
Because blue-ray disks are far more expensive than DVDs. But you can bet that if someone is going to buy a high-definition disk, it's going to be a blue-ray rather than an HDDVD.
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Only because you can't buy HD DVD anymore. But if this proposed system delivers what it claims, Blu Ray has serious competition.
 
superstring01 said:
So, just to clarify, you're stating that BluRay hasn't won the format war
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With 88% of the market still buying regular DVDs, that much is obvious.

and is now the only HD disk that is sold?

~String
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The only HD format disk sold at present

HD content is available via PPV/Sky/DVB/Download. HD DVD may re-emerge. Blu Ray does not dominate current formats. Things can change. Things are changing. The idea of owning a hard copy of a song, or film, is slipping. iTunes bases it's business on this concept. All we need is streaming/download HD services to become more prevalent and accepted, with regular DVD filling the market as an object until the cultural mindset of ownership is changed, and it's a done deal

I use a legal streaming service for music now, it removes a lot of the urge to buy music, esp back catalogue. I have broadband, downloading a movie is far faster than buying one online or nipping into town to pick one up, welcome to the present day, String.
 
My answer is that blueray is dead also, incase anybodys never looked at sales igures more people are buying HD DVD than Blue ray cos it got so cheap when it was declared defunct htough i admit it wont last. Blue ray is proped up by the PS3. Everybody buys DVD's becasue they are very cheap and perfectly fine for anyhting but a cinema. get a decent tv and a dvd upscaling dvd player and there indestinguishabal unless the screen is the size of my living room wall. Everything is shifting towards digital media making it all obsolete anyway. I have my entire DVD collection backed up on a hard drive the size of my wallet (a seagate 500gig ) which is ratehr more convenient.
 
I love my Blu Ray player, however here's an interesting tid bit.

Samsung has said that it sees the Blu-ray format only lasting a further 5 years before it is replaced by another format or technology.

"I think it [Blu-ray] has 5 years left, I certainly wouldn't give it 10", Andy Griffiths, director of consumer electronics at Samsung UK told Pocket-lint in an interview.
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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/17399/samsung-blu-ray-5-years-left
 
phlogistician said:
The only HD format disk sold at present
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We were discussing disks, so it stands to recon that I was only concerned with disks.

phlogistician said:
I use a legal streaming service for music now, it removes a lot of the urge to buy music, esp back catalogue. I have broadband, downloading a movie is far faster than buying one online or nipping into town to pick one up, welcome to the present day, String.
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I said earlier that most disk formats were dead within a decade-or-so anyway because of digital downloads and solid state storage anyway. But we aren't discussing that. You keep mentioning non-hd-disks as if that distracts away from the fact that we were discussing ONLY the competition between HDDVD and BluRay. What is so hard to understand about that?

Dropping bon mots and quips like "welcome to the present day..." amount to nothing other than patting yourself on the back for diverting attention away from the fact that, indeed, HDDVD was dead. You're wrong. That, and only that, is the point I was making. Nothing else. Not that BluRay would reign supreme forever (it won't). Not that DVD's weren't still extremely relevant (they are). Not that, very soon, streaming media wasn't the next big thing (it will). One point and only this point was THE point I was making: HDDVD is dead. BluRay won the format war between the two. That's it.

Did you forget the title of this thread? It wasn't "Well, one day BluRay will be obsolete anyway because of these mitigating circumstances which negate the importance of BluRay's victory over HDDVD. . . "

~String
 
pjdude1219 said:
why when people had a choice they choose blu-ray that doesn't look to change
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Actually they didn't. HD-DVD outsold Blu Ray at first because HD-DVD players broke the $400 barrier before Sony. However, once Sony dropped their PS3 to $400 it was lights out for HD-DVD.
 
Ganymede said:
I love my Blu Ray player, however here's an interesting tid bit.



http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/17399/samsung-blu-ray-5-years-left
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HAHA

Exactly why I play tapes in my car still. Fuck it. I can't tell the difference. Except when it makes that awful noise when the tape flips to the other side.

Download a HD or bluray movie, like 20+ gig. Fuck that. They cost more to rent too right? Bah my eyes barely notice a difference. I'll save my money and get HD eyeballs one day.

Get off the tech drip people. It's a built to break/become obsolete before you really get your money's worth use out of it.

Them Mp3 gadgets are handy though...put all your free music on it and listen wherever...

*Places his pipe back and begins rocking his chair again*
 
superstring01 said:
You keep mentioning non-hd-disks as if that distracts away from the fact that we were discussing ONLY the competition between HDDVD and BluRay.
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(Emphasis mine) Who is that we. Not I. Just you

Dropping bon mots and quips like "welcome to the present day..." amount to nothing other than patting yourself on the back for diverting attention away
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Oh get over yourself, with your knowledge of the subject 'several orders of magnitude greater' than mine. There is no diversion, just the marketplace. You continually try to ringfence the debate to try and make a point, but fail, in an epic fashion at every turn, especially given the link that contemplates Blu Ray could be end of life in a mere five years, and that Blu Ray is a fraction of the sales of regular disks, it is a cataclysmic failure! You cannot call _anything_ it has done 'winning'.
 
Blu Ray has won. DVD will phase out eventually and give way to Blu Ray, same thing happened to VHS.

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Peace :D

Rick
 
Rick said:
Blu Ray has won. DVD will phase out eventually and give way to Blu Ray, same thing happened to VHS.

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Peace :D

Rick
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Blu Ray has around 12% of the market share. That means 88% of the public are STILL buying regular DVDs instead of switching to Blu Ray, because the increased performance is not worth it for the price.

If Blu Ray only has five years left, what's the point adopting it?

Interesting you mentioned VHS, technically it was inferior to Betamax, but it won in the end. Any lessons there?
 
No, no lessons at all, It just points out that people have gotten better up the chain at gauging the standards and products. BTW, when DVDs first came out what was it like? Do you think people just adopted it like in a snap? slowly steadily it'll happen.

Anyways, I use both, I have a Blu Ray (which plays DVDs too btw) player from sony and a DVD burner drive on mah PC. Doesn't matter to me as a user. If you have used Blu Ray, you would NOT want to go back to DVD, As a 40 inch HDTV user, I just feel that Blu Ray rocks when it comes to quality, size and almost everything;

Market share? since when do we care about market share dude? If you like it use it, if you don't then don't ... Its more like technologically you should always have options available, that's my humble opinion, Obviously there are experts out there who know a thing or two about formats and quality, so can't really say much there.

BTW, Is XBox moving towards Blu Ray? just curious.

Rick
 
Seems like someone has a hard on for HD DVD and is sour that Blu Ray has gained marketshare. Logic won't work against people who take things like this personal folks.
 
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