Iran seizes 15 British troops in Persian Gulf

Haha, son of a, didn't even notice the last couple posts and I can't delete my message, oh well.

Anyhow, what objectivity, Leo? Those are numerous archive documents the CIA has released themselves. Anything you may not believe or find questionable, blame it on the CIA for they released all the info available to us. If there's a lack of objectivity or things look biased or heavy-handed against you, it's for a reason, because no matter what you may feel, events happened and your opinion can't change it. I guess everything the CIA released are all lies and they intentionally did it to make ourselves look bad. I mean we'd never ever do such a thing as the events say because we're oh-so-perfect!

What I find amusing about people from the right, is that when our government finally has the balls to admit it's done wrong, those on the right still choose not to believe it. We have people not believing what's said about the Iranian coup, we have people still on the wild WMD goosechase supposedly involving Russian spetsnaz and Syrians while our government continues to say we got the intelligence wrong and so they've called off the search. Tons of bad things they've admitted to yet they still choose not to believe it, lol. Sure, go ahead and diss the people that continue to blame things on America saying it's their fault for their aggressive actions, but when the government goes out and flat out admits to it, the previous accusers are no longer the whacky ones, but those that continue to not believe and try to save face are. There's still WMDs.. the Iranian coup never happened.. nothing is ever about our greed of resources.. etc etc. Flippin' sad. You guys get mad about Holocaust deniers and everyone else is upset with you reality deniers.

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Neildo said:
Anyhow, what objectivity, Leo? Those are numerous archive documents the CIA has released themselves. Anything you may not believe or find questionable, blame it on the CIA for they released all the info available to us. If there's a lack of objectivity or things look biased or heavy-handed against you, it's for a reason, because no matter what you may feel, events happened and your opinion can't change it. I guess everything the CIA released are all lies and they intentionally did it to make ourselves look bad. I mean we'd never ever do such a thing as the events say because we're oh-so-perfect!
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did you even read the documents neildo?

by your post it's obvious you haven't.
 
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oh em eff gee

Ahmedifruitcake is the equivallent of a really bad CEO running his company to the ground. what on earth is he (or his military commanders) thinking ???

it would be really interesting to know what the Iranian "street" is saying... what would you feel like as a regular working class Iranian if you saw daily headlines about an international boycott and a potential war?
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The initial reaction shown here by many, openly shows how intensely most people out there are programmed to accept everything the UK and US governments and media say without rationing about it. It's just like when they accepted as true the shameful lies about the Iraqi wmd, and like they accept US claims that Iran and Syria sponsor international terorism...false proofs and readily gullible folks!!

As comes to the recent event, one should first sit down and think who beneifts from more instability in the region, whether Iran or its advrsaries... and also all should have a glance at the past..is this the first time ever that UK or US have disrespected other's territories? The question is why should Iran want a war? I reject all hypothesis based on Iranian leaders being war-loving nuts as totally foolish which would only suit some stupid simpletons..

As per the boycots, this may be news to you..but Iranians are under sanctions ever since they toppled the pro-western dictatorial regime of shah... I'm not for the current regime in Iran, but I think its time for the west to stop teaching democracy and human rights to others and start with themselves.. two-facedness is not the way to go.
 
Nickelodeon, and your different? really? your personnel Black and White is how you see the world, and it is part of every post you make.
 
Nickelodeon, any one who is honest has to admit that all of their opinions are colored by their own black and white filters, it is part of human nature to prejudice in the favor of your own opinion, you can't get around that programming, it is part of human nature to assume that your are correct, even in the face of unequivocal evidence to the contrary, and you are a prime example.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Nickelodeon, any one who is honest has to admit that all of their opinions are colored by their own black and white filters, it is part of human nature to prejudice in the favor of your own opinion, you can't get around that programming, it is part of human nature to assume that your are correct, even in the face of unequivocal evidence to the contrary, and you are a prime example.
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How typical to talk of "human nature". As if anything other than your own opinion is unnatural. The world aint black and white buffy, its in colour.

Buffalo Roam said:
you are a prime example.
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LOL comming from you thats the funniest thing I've read.
 
Its so nice to read woman in Iraq can vote
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Women in Iraq could vote under Saddam, drive cars, travel without male escorts, appear in public without hijabs, etc Under Islamic government, they will lose some civil liberties compared with the secular Hussein regime.
fenris said:
Oh, and just to reiterate once again - the amount of civilian casualties in Iraq caused directly by Americans or coalition troops pales beside that caused by the Iraqis themselves.
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Not yet. The Iraqis are catching up, true - with US associated death squads leading that effort as well, but still that isn't actual US soldiers - but they have a ways to go. And it's a moving target.
Mr G said:
2. A member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict who, on behalf of that Party and in territory controlled by an adverse Party, gathers or attempts to gather information shall not be considered as engaging in espionage if, while so acting, he is in the uniform of his armed forces.
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Might be inapplicable. There is no conflict. It's as if someone snuck into a US nuclear weapons factory to take pictures, and when caught was wearing a Mexican army uniform.

But threats are not actions, and so far the Brits have not been stripped, beaten, waterboarded, or held in stress positions for days until they defecated on themsleves and pulled their own hair out. Nor have they, AFAIK, been raped and sexually abused, violated and burned with chemical lightsticks, or hung by their wrists until they passed out. If the Brits get treated like the captured militia of the Afghani government were in Gitmo, then the Brits can file a complaint - maybe they'll have more luck with the Iranians than they did with the US.

Meanwhile, we still don't have a believable official account from our side. Nobody has explained, for example, what the Cornwall was doing way off in the distance while its boats were boarding possibly heavily armed smugglers, its men armed only with sidearms, and easy escape into Iranian waters close by.

If anyone recalls, in 2004 something like this happened (8 Brits on three little boats apprehended by the Iranian military, taken into custody) and it took the Brits five days or more to come around to owning up to what had actually happened - which turned out to be pretty much what the Iranians had said all along.
Maybe this time is different, eh?
 
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Buffalo Roam said:
chuuush, Just as you are intensely programmed to accept anything reported from a Moslem country?
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again news for you buffalo...I usually get my news from the following sources:

CNN International - Aljazeera - BBC - Iran news Agency - CNN Turk - Al arabiya - France 24 (though I don't listen to the last two frequently)

Now I heard more about this incident from CNN and BBC than from other channels. Their problem is they assume as right whatever their governments say and as wrong whatever Iranians say and keep playing tapes of tony bliar and beckert and americans about the incident, not many Iranian defence is allowed there...this is not journalism...
Al-arabiya and Ajazeera are standing neutral...giving these news withough any much comments and tapes from either side...
Iran news agency was silent for the first days...the only thing I have so far heard from them in this regard was a few short news from the foregin ministry saying that the British are repeatedly doing this.. and that the ministry has called U.K. ambassador 3 times to denounce the violations since the arrest...Iran also says it is interrogating the soldiers to learn whether there was any intention in the act.... (suppose that's why they don't let the UK ambassador to meet them)....
Turkish agencies are mostly neutral but some indirectly favor the British view by giving such headlines like "Iran triggers a new wave of tension in the region" etc.

As per american squads in Iraq, I am personally caught between believing and rejecting..it may quite be possible that the U.S. wants Iraq to remain in a state of mayhem so the U.S. will have a base to remain and rule in the region, interfere whenever and wherever it wants and plan attacks against Iran...I don't think Arabic countries and Turkey will let their bases be used for another attack on another neighbouring country... Turkey is already fedup with the U.S. and Arabs are afraid of both Iranian retaliation and their own mobs...
 
This time round it seems the Iranians made the mistake. Apparently their diplomats were claiming the sailors had gone into Iranian waters, but when the British checked the Iranians coordinated, it turned out they were in Iraqi waters. So the Iranians had to go away and come up with a new story.

Ok, I don't believe the gvt any more than anyone else, but so far their side of the story makes some sense.

Finally- look at all the other news, what is there going on that this event might help cover up?
 
Not yet. The Iraqis are catching up, true - with US associated death squads leading that effort as well, but still that isn't actual US soldiers - but they have a ways to go. And it's a moving target.
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Civilian casualties, I said. Now you might claim that anyone not wearing a uniform is a civilian and fudge your figures that way, but you'd still be a damn fool.

And don't attempt to blame the US for "death squads". They have their own agendas, and the US invasion is simply a means by which they could go about trying to achieve them. Odds are they don't like the Americans any more than the rest of Iraq does.
"US-Associated"... more bloody transparent spin.

As for the latest on the Brits captured...
Iran : "these men were captured inside Iranian waters, here <coordinates>"
Brit : "Thats inside Iraqi waters."
Iran " Doh... er... no wait, they were captured..ah... here".

It just gets funnier, doesn't it? If Iran had any sense they would have tried it with US sailors rather than British. In that case Iran could have claimed anything at all and been believed. They wouldn't have even needed to treat American prisoners with anything remotely like respect, because twits like Spurious and co. would have been drooling over the bruises. Then again, capturing Americans might result in things getting to a point they aren't prepared for.

Good lord, can't anyone do anything right?

Finally- look at all the other news, what is there going on that this event might help cover up?
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Oh my. Someone with a brain.
 
definitely an american said:
US associated death squads... ”

You may have some valid point or information in your article but after reading this crap I had to flush it...
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Just can't wrap your sense of reality around that one, eh?

Sorry to have pushed you beyond your limits. I'm sure you can find plenty of news sources that will tell you what you already know.

Sometime, though, you might want to crack a beer and follow the links from a Google of "El Salvador option" and "John Negroponte". if you really have time, "School of the Americas", "Bagram" , and "BCCI".

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Ok, I don't believe the gvt any more than anyone else, but so far their side of the story makes some sense.
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Not yet. The Cornwall, the "sidearms", the sudden appearance of the Iranians, remain to be accounted for. As well as the fact that it took days for them to come up with a GPS reading they had on hand (which AFAIK they haven't released, for some reason), their asserted location does not match the eyewitness fishermans' accounts, etc.

So far, we don't know anything much.
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Civilian casualties, I said.
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And civilian casualties I meant. The Iraqis still have a few tens of thousands to go. They'll get there, probably.
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And don't attempt to blame the US for "death squads".
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Not all of them, but the US associated ones - Why not? Same thing Negroponte supervised in Central America, known tactic of US agencies in these kinds of situations, lots of US associations in Iraq (police training, etc), it's not a stretch.
 
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chuuush

CNN International - Aljazeera - BBC - Iran news Agency - CNN Turk - Al arabiya - France 24
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This is your bona fides for not being programmed to have a moslem bias? Your as bad as Nickelodeon, you don't even see your own bias, and fail to recognize you own self righteousness, to form a
belief that you make no mistakes in logic.
 
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