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Hahaha, what's she got that on for, Black History Month?
Aplogise for slavery?
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Hahaha, what's she got that on for, Black History Month?
Buffalo Roam
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In Turkey the Armenians, that is the most recognizable.
the jews.
well, not the same ones that got gassed obviously.
but hey, at least they got israel out of the guilt trip.
No, despite centuries of slaving by africans, arabs and other people it is only slavery perpetrated by westerners that is at issue. Around 1700 AD there were over 2 million european slaves in africa maybe they should get reparations too :shrug:
That would be ideal, but many black people living in the ghetto aren't even in the situation to not look for a hand out and move out of the ghetto.
From our privileged positions, it's easy to bark out, "WORK HARD! SAVE UP! BETTER YOURSELVES!". I think many black people in the ghetto should do that to better themselves.
But not everyone is in the position to do that. The fact is that ghettos are some of the MOST neglected places in America. There are no opportunities at all in some areas and little to no jobs. Without any money, they can't move to better areas or provide proper care to children. And the cycle goes on. It's akin to asking people in Sub-Saharan Africa to better themselves and to stop begging for aid. Your argument is just so flawed on many levels and is 100% ignorant. Just saying, "I have black friends who..." and "I've been to a ghetto..." means NOTHING.
I have white American friends in every state who think white America SHOULD absolutely apologize and give FULL reparations to black people. So what?
Here is a philosophical question:
Let's say you are going to be born tomorrow as a black child. You can have 2 choices:
1. Randomly being born into a black family in the USA.
2. Randomly being born into a black family in Africa.
Which would you choose? I go with #1.....
We went through this a few weeks ago on another thread that I think James R eventually locked, but it's the same story, different thread.
Let me pose this hypothetical: Two people start chatting on Match or Yahoo or some other dating website. They decide to meet.
The guy is a Jew. The girl is from Germany. They sit down, order drinks and food, and start to try and get acquainted. When the subject comes up, and the guy reveals that he's Jewish, should the girl immediatedly say "Ok, first off, I just want to go ahead and apologize for the Holocaust, cause, ya know, my folks are German.."?
From my standpoint, if she did that, and I were that guy, the date is over right there. I can't imagine anything more off-putting than somebody assuming that I'm a person who lives by stereotypes and guilt, and hoping that somehow throwing out the stereotype and guilt card first, makes it ok.
Why is it that blacks in the U.S. think they are the only people that ever got a raw deal?
Let me pose this hypothetical: Two people start chatting on Match or Yahoo or some other dating website. They decide to meet.
The guy is a Jew. The girl is from Germany. They sit down, order drinks and food, and start to try and get acquainted. When the subject comes up, and the guy reveals that he's Jewish, should the girl immediatedly say "Ok, first off, I just want to go ahead and apologize for the Holocaust, cause, ya know, my folks are German.."?
From my standpoint, if she did that, and I were that guy, the date is over right there. I can't imagine anything more off-putting than somebody assuming that I'm a person who lives by stereotypes and guilt, and hoping that somehow throwing out the stereotype and guilt card first, makes it ok.
Why is it that blacks in the U.S. think they are the only people that ever got a raw deal?
superstring01
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Japanese who were interned during WWII; though, IMHO, they deserved it since (a) many Japanese were still alive who were interned and (b) many people who were part of the internment process were still alive.
On the "apologizing for slavery" issue. 1) Contrary to my greatest desires, I've never owned a slave of any race or nationality and 2) there isn't a black person alive who was a slave way-back-when. In fact, I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a 1st or 2nd generation-post-abolition person of African descent in the USA.
While we are on the matter of apologizing for horrible deads done: I want Italy to apologize for the treatment of my Germanic ancestors at their hands during the Roman Empire.
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No one has answered the question. Is there any other group of people still wanting an apology for something that happened many generations ago?
I am Ukrainian I don't have any thing do do with blacks yellows or white.
Lets stop crying , beside we were slaves for the Romans , should we ask for apology from the world ?
I am Ukrainian I don't have any thing do do with blacks yellows or white.
Lets stop crying , beside we were slaves for the Romans , should we ask for apology from the world ?
The Native Americans are still asking for an apology.
They got it, in the form of casino's that aren't taxed, but nonetheless, they still show up at Braves/Redskins/Chiefs games and protest. It's a sad site to see.
I went to a Braves game years ago (before I decided MLB was dead to me, due to the strike) and there were about 20 Native Americans out in the parking lot trying to protest the use of the word Brave. Possibly one of the saddest and most pathetic looking protests I've ever witnessed first hand.
Interesting how the tribes had no problem with genocide, until it happened to them at the hands of people who weren't red.
Certainly I'm not justifying here, but let's not forget that the tribes killed other tribes without mercy for thousands of years. It's not as if they have no blood on their hands.
They got it, in the form of casino's that aren't taxed, but nonetheless, they still show up at Braves/Redskins/Chiefs games and protest. It's a sad site to see.
I went to a Braves game years ago (before I decided MLB was dead to me, due to the strike) and there were about 20 Native Americans out in the parking lot trying to protest the use of the word Brave. Possibly one of the saddest and most pathetic looking protests I've ever witnessed first hand.
Interesting how the tribes had no problem with genocide, until it happened to them at the hands of people who weren't red.
Certainly I'm not justifying here, but let's not forget that the tribes killed other tribes without mercy for thousands of years. It's not as if they have no blood on their hands.
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M*W: I was raised in the South, and I am proud of it. My ancestors owned slaves on their tobacco plantations. Those slaves were treated right. They were fed and clothed and educated. When they were sufficiently educated my great great great great great grandfather freed them to find life and work on their own.
I grew up in the South pre-Civil Rights Movement. I saw Black churches and schools get torched and little Black kids running out of them on fire. I was only seven or so when I saw these atrocities first hand. I remember going into a store called Kresses in Augusta, Georgia in the mid-fifties with my mother. I couldn't understand why there was a barrier between the white hot dog counter and where the Blacks stood. I saw the signs on water fountains, "White Only." I was young, but I didn't understand why human beings would be separated like they were in the South.
I had a Black mammy in South Carolina that took care of me when I was about five years old. When Mama would leave to go work at the bomb plant with my daddy, Rosemay would take me on the city bus to visit her friends in Augusta, GA. I played with those little Black kids on the porch of a big Antebellum mansion. They thought of me as a novelty! I was their token White friend! When my Mama found out Rosemay had been taking me to "nigger town," Mama fired her. I missed Rosemay so much! Of course, I was talking "nigger talk" which displeased my mother by the time I entered school in Georgia. I said words like "Yess'um," "chitlin's," "miss'ress," (mistress), "Yao'suh," (yes sir), the whole Southern Black Ebonics shtick... another reason to get me educated in whitey's neighborhood.
That was a different time and place. I'm in a big city now with gang wars in the barrios. They don't know me. They don't know where I've been and what I've seen, but I don't feel I need to apologize to them for what my White ancestors did. Maybe they should apologize to me. I suffered with them emotionally when I as a child watched them suffer. Those actions of radical whites scarred my young mind, too. We were in this together. Maybe they should apologize to me for wearing those low-hanging gang pants with their underwear showing. Maybe they should apologize to me that 95% of everyone in their culture being incarcerated in jails for drug/alcohol abuse that my tax dollars pay for! Maybe they should apologize to me for every crack dealer on every street corner of America. My tax money went to build this country, and look what we've got! No apologies are needed now. It's too late for apologies. This pendulem swings both ways. Time heals all wounds. That's all the apologies that were needed. It's too late for apologies. They are where they are today because that is where their culture led them. We didn't do it to them. We don't owe them anything anymore. They are where they wanted to be and they are where they arrived. What my ancestors did is not on my shoulders anymore. I'll respect you if you're a respectable person. I don't see skin color. I look deeper into the character of a person. Black and White is not just skin deep. It's a reflection of one's innermost core of being.
M*W: I was raised in the South, and I am proud of it. My ancestors owned slaves on their tobacco plantations. Those slaves were treated right. They were fed and clothed and educated. When they were sufficiently educated my great great great great great grandfather freed them to find life and work on their own.
I grew up in the South pre-Civil Rights Movement. I saw Black churches and schools get torched and little Black kids running out of them on fire. I was only seven or so when I saw these atrocities first hand. I remember going into a store called Kresses in Augusta, Georgia in the mid-fifties with my mother. I couldn't understand why there was a barrier between the white hot dog counter and where the Blacks stood. I saw the signs on water fountains, "White Only." I was young, but I didn't understand why human beings would be separated like they were in the South.
I had a Black mammy in South Carolina that took care of me when I was about five years old. When Mama would leave to go work at the bomb plant with my daddy, Rosemay would take me on the city bus to visit her friends in Augusta, GA. I played with those little Black kids on the porch of a big Antebellum mansion. They thought of me as a novelty! I was their token White friend! When my Mama found out Rosemay had been taking me to "nigger town," Mama fired her. I missed Rosemay so much! Of course, I was talking "nigger talk" which displeased my mother by the time I entered school in Georgia. I said words like "Yess'um," "chitlin's," "miss'ress," (mistress), "Yao'suh," (yes sir), the whole Southern Black Ebonics shtick... another reason to get me educated in whitey's neighborhood.
That was a different time and place. I'm in a big city now with gang wars in the barrios. They don't know me. They don't know where I've been and what I've seen, but I don't feel I need to apologize to them for what my White ancestors did. Maybe they should apologize to me. I suffered with them emotionally when I as a child watched them suffer. Those actions of radical whites scarred my young mind, too. We were in this together. Maybe they should apologize to me for wearing those low-hanging gang pants with their underwear showing. Maybe they should apologize to me that 95% of everyone in their culture being incarcerated in jails for drug/alcohol abuse that my tax dollars pay for! Maybe they should apologize to me for every crack dealer on every street corner of America. My tax money went to build this country, and look what we've got! No apologies are needed now. It's too late for apologies. This pendulem swings both ways. Time heals all wounds. That's all the apologies that were needed. It's too late for apologies. They are where they are today because that is where their culture led them. We didn't do it to them. We don't owe them anything anymore. They are where they wanted to be and they are where they arrived. What my ancestors did is not on my shoulders anymore. I'll respect you if you're a respectable person. I don't see skin color. I look deeper into the character of a person. Black and White is not just skin deep. It's a reflection of one's innermost core of being.
Because people alive today who supported forced segregation and human rights abuses refuse to ever apologize for any of it.
I don't think a fake apology matters much though, but it would help improve the image the government has.
So tell me, what is the difference between a black soul and a white soul?
Can a black soul inhabit a white persons body and can a white soul inhabit a black persons body?
If that's the case, please explain this to people who continue to associate whiteness with skin, just because someone looks white, it does not mean they have the culture, or the soul.
I'm really sorry to all the people, er sorry all the people whom had ancestors, whom lived in Britian during the Viking age of terror(800-1050ish). My people may or may not have raped, killed or enslaved your ancestors. As a token of my willingness to make amends you can share all that I have. About 750 bucks of credit card debt.
I'm also sorry to anyone else that got generally fuked over by anyone named "Canute" or "Canuteson" or "Knutsen". But no I will not give you my credit card number.
I'm also sorry to anyone else that got generally fuked over by anyone named "Canute" or "Canuteson" or "Knutsen". But no I will not give you my credit card number.
Depends how many you mean by many. If you're talking about the last century:
Descendants of Japanese Americans were compensated for being interned in camps during WWII. Armenians are working on getting Turkey to face up to their genocide. (Ex-)European Jews are still being compensated for genocide and stolen property. China wants Japan to be more honest about the way their soldiers raped civilians. East-European Germans want compensation for being kicked out after WWII. Palestinians want compensation / destruction of Israel depending who you ask. Third world countries want debt cancellation from the world bank to compensate for colonialism. Aborigines are being compensated for having their children taken from them.
Generally, the damage is the kind that can't be compensated, and the compensations don't come close to covering any monetary loss. But if it helps restart a shattered life, and those paying (governments, though UN / world bank would be better) can afford it, I guess that can only help. But asking Italy to compensate for, e.g. Roman imperialism would be ridiculous . . .
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M*W: Nothing. Neither exists. Each physical body has a bioelectric system in the brain. When the brain dies, so does the bioelectric system, maybe not all at once, but sequentially. For example, the brain can flatline, but the heart may be pumping really good. Doctor's with the approval of next of kin give medication to stop the heart and total death occurs. Where does this bioelectric go? Nowhere. It's just "lights out." Imagine, if you will, a christmas tree with those cheap blinking lights made in China. One goes out, then they all go out. Same thing.
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M*W: No. Bioelectric energy is generic (everything is generic on the inside the body physically speaking, but not necessarily physiologically true, but that's another theory entirely backed up by evidenced-based medicine.
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M*W: Melanin does not a human being make. Melanin colors human tissue in relation to the ecosystem and is dictated by climate. There are no Black or White bioelectric systems just as there are no Black or White souls. Same thing.
The bioelectric system, as far as I know, does not influence culture. Like I said, it is generic. It is more likely that culture and society influence the bioelectric system. Of course, then there's the whole theory about rhythm and soul which is left up to personal interpretation.
crazy151drinker
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Dont forget we also invaded Paris (I think we started the trend....) and generally caused a lot of mayhem. But we have already paid our reparations! We gave the world Greenland and help out with the days of the week!
Such as Thursday:
(aka Thor)
Though those Quakers pulled a fast one:
But why say you about the other days of the week?
Monday:
Arrrrgh! Damn Germans!
Tuesday:
Go Norse!
Wednesday:
Arrrrgh! Those Germans stole a day from us!
Friday:
From the Germans :bawl:
Saturday:
Saturn's day....Romans....hmmmm
Sunday:
Sun day.....ancient Egyptians.....
So there we have it: Norse 2, Germans 3, Italians 1, Egyptians 1 Sounds like a soccer tournament.
Anyways, we came up with 2 days of the week and we don't even charge other people to use them. We have more than paid our dues.
The Acadians asked for and got an apology for being kicked out of Canada.
http://www.acadianmuseum.com/apology.html
http://www.acadianmuseum.com/apology.html