can bush just do no good?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by weed_eater_guy, Sep 2, 2005.

  1. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    First, it was deomocrats whinning about "bush invading iraq for all the oil". I heard it everywhere where I lived both from the Germans and Americans, first hand (lived in germany back then). Now, it's "bush is a bad president because the gas prices are going up". So wait a damn second, if bush went to take their oil, then we sould have cheaper gas, no? I mean, I'm no economisist, but.. duh. Or vice versa, if gas is expensive, then it's bush's fault for not raping other countries for oil?

    Check mate.

    Let's face it, Bush is getting bullshitted on. But why? Would Gore have had the balls to do something about 9-11? Would Kerry actually posses the magical ability to just "talk it over with the UN to get more countries in the coalition?" and in the process make the french behave... not french? I don't believe so. Bush invaded Afghanistan to eliminate a threat. He went into Iraq because
    1.) Saddam was blattently suspicious-looking by blocking UN WEAPON INSPECTORS, and possesing BIOWARFARE SUITS.
    2.) He's been annoying nations and terrorizing iraqis for over a decade, and it's about time someone went against the UN's great idea of worthless sanctions and kicked some cowardly ass (hid in a spider hole?! bastard, plain and simple).

    Bush might not talk very well, he might be pretty anal when it comes to stem-cell research, and a few other domestic matters, at least in my opinion, but he does not deserve a new shit storm from people who have no idea what is going on except for that CBS tells them.

    what you hear: "another car bomb, another car bomb, more marines died, still can't find bin laden"

    what you don't hear: "reconstruction of civil facilities underway, most iraqis are glad the americans are present, iraqis don't like the transition due to the obvious security problems, but they look forward to a new resime"

    Iraq may become a great nation, much like some nations we reconstructed in the past: Germany and Japan. We now are in heavy competition with their car industries. go figure.
     
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  3. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    Not check mate. Why take a big chunk of the oil reserves of the world and then sell it cheap? When you so obviously don't have to? High or low prices, bushy bush wanted the oil.
     
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  5. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    you're assuming that the bush administration, which according to everyone is incompetant, is competant enough, so SUPREMELY capable enough of pulling off a global-scale price-hike coverup, and not having a single legitamate leak of news of the fraud. No thing, including a coverup plan, can be perfectly executed by human hand or mind without some sort of imperfection, especially a coverup plan this massive, involving multiple oil companies and their employees, dock workers, ever single fucking middleman, and not in just in America and Iraq, but England, the european nations, and all other global nations experiencing pricehikes. If prices are high, it's because of OPEC, not Bush, the supreme comencer of giant devious plans who is, ironically, considered incompetant by the very people (such as yourself) accusing him of doing this action.

    China is the reason oil is going sky-high, that and the fact that we are starting to experience a decline in oil reserves, which we'll have to replace with renewable oil (corn-based for example) or hydrogen. Supply drops, demand from a nation of over a billion people increases, prices go up globally, simple, end of story.
     
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  7. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    what consitutes a legitamate leak of news? when he could be leaning on news sorces (and is about cirtan things) to show things his way and when he can lock anyone up he doesnt like for no reason who would WANT to leak and where WOULD they leak?
     
  8. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Surely that's a joke, right? I mean ......surely you don't believe that????

    Baron Max
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The oil companies are the reason the prices are going so high. The last quarter earnings report showed that all of them made huge profits, that's after everything is paid for, of over 5 billion dollars or more. That's just one quarted think about the profits for the entire year they are going to make. Is it fair they take advantage of people when there's no need to?
     
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  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Check some previous years and you'll find that the profits were NOT that high and it balances out.

    Well, it's called "freedom"! It's also called the law of supply and demand, which is essential in a free market economy. The further you move from that "freedom", the more we become socialistic ....which few people want the "government" to control the market (except for the idealistic liberal!).

    Freedom is a difficult concept to accept when things ain't goin' so hot ...but when it's working and everyone is making plenty of bucks, we're all happy and fat.

    Baron Max

    PS - didn't I just post this comment somewhere else????
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    baron wether he is doing it or not is beside the point, the ability for him to do it is there and thats a problem. He can send ANYONE he likes to cuba for the vague "there a terrioust" with no trial, no legal prosses. Ok so no one would let him send the oposition leader or an MP but who would know if he had sent some white house clerk there? would you? would the courts? would anyone but who he wanted to know?
     
  12. devils_reject Registered Senior Member

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    Iraq has not really been producing at its optimal level since the Iraq war started and that means higher prices.Secondly Bush is an oil tycoon so lower prices wil not benefit him anyway. Thirdly Saddamis not the only tyrant leader in the world, they are places with more devastating beaurucracy. And the U.S could have sacked him alone, not the whole country. Bush is a pretty cool customer but he's just not very smooth in my opinion. Civil unrest in places like Venezuela and Nigeria are some reasons why oil is so high, but I rally think it has a lot to do with an oil tycoon as leader of teh free world. In my opinion
     
  13. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    Asguard, are you serious? Do you honestly think that would go completely unoticed, that the families of the wrongly accused wouldn't scream bloody murder over the airwaves? Or did bush send them all off too. and their friends, and their pets, and their friend's friends, etc. etc.
     
  14. Imperfectionist Pope Humanzee the First Registered Senior Member

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    I still think oil was a primary reason for invading Iraq, though not in order to give to America at a reduced price, but simply to control it. The fact is oil companies are getting huge profits from just setting up there. Maybe eventually the oil will make a difference in world prices, but not yet. High prices are good for the fat cats in the oil industry. Bush couldn't care less about the ordinary American. Mostly the dems are angry that this was a bait and switch. If the real reasons were given, would the country still have voted for invading Iraq? I doubt it.
    I'm sure of it. But he wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

    Not so.
    Almost every country has these. You could probably get one on the internet.

    We helped him in this by supplying weapons that caused those mass graves of Iranians, and said nothing about his human rights violations, just like we ignore China. We said nothing about him gassing the Kurds, and we let him fly helicopters to put down a popular uprising after the first Gulf War. Are the Iraqis any better off now?

    Yes, I'm afraid he does, and it's coming from people in his own party, and people in the military who know what's going on.

    Cause it's bullshit.
    more bullshit
    All they can look forward to is civil war.

    We actually made great investments in those nations, and helped replace destroyed factories with the latest equipment and manufacturing techniques. It was an American that taught the Japanese quality control, and only years later did we even start to catch up.
     
  15. Imperfectionist Pope Humanzee the First Registered Senior Member

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    We should understand by now that since Bush is a heartless fool, nothing he will do is likely to be the right thing, except by accident. OK, attacking the Taliban was right, but not much else.
     
  16. Mr.Jack4WAR Hating the Hated Registered Senior Member

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    You dont think the Shia are happy with our presence!
    GOD! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!
    We basically are aiding them in their somewhat of a civil war right now!
    jesus.
    your 100% bullshit
     
  17. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    weed_eater_guy im not saying it is im saying it COULD. Thats what scares me that a system exists to do exactly that, make people dissapear, no courts, no lawers, no media attention just gone. Doesnt that scare you?

    and just out of interest how would you know that family members and friends wernt intimidated or made to disapear too? do you know every person? so they just go on some missing persons report and are forgoten while they rot in goverment custody. Can you honestly say that this could never happen?
     
  18. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    When did I ever say such a thing? I don't think he, or his administration, or the paid-for-media, are capable of pulling it off. One just needs to have a brain to see what is going on. Doesn't mean that those of us who see it have the power, money or influence to convince the rest of you that it is happening. I mean, most people in america the great like to live in a fantasy world. Well, about half of them, anyway.

    That's the beauty of it. He doesn't need to cover anything up. He just needs to have money, power and influence. Nothing need ever be planned or covered up. If you have the money and the power and the influence, not to mention a fairly staid media, you can just do it in the open under the mantle of Weapons of Mass Destruction. We all know that that was a bogus excuse to invade, right? What about fighting terrorism "over there" so that it doesn't affect us "here?" If you had a brain, you would have noticed just how bogus this was too. "Establishing a democracy" in the middle east? Why the hell do we care? Really? Everything is plain and simple, though easily wrapped up in sheep's clothing. Who really gives a shit, anyway? I mean, we gave good ole bush so much "political capital" after all. Americans are so easily swindled. You are a great example.

    Why do you think so many people, according to all polls, think he is incompetent? He wasn't smart enough to steal the oil legitimately. Think if he planned accurately for the war in Iraq, or the emergency situation in New Orleans, we would be all over his case? I doubt it. Most americans, after all, would like the cheap oil. If only bush had been smart enough to deal with al-Zarqawi.

    Yes, but if we had gotten to Sudan's, and other african nations' oil, before the chinese did, we wouldn't have HAD to invade Iraq.

    You are right though, about one thing, the price of gas will never come back down, much. We are on the downward spiral of the earth's supply.
     
  19. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    I have been asking myself that every day when I watch the news for over five years now.
    It seems the answer is, "No, he can not do any good."
    I do keep hoping he will prove me wrong, however I am not holding my breath.
     
  20. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, exactly the same way we supported Saddam and the Sunnis 20-30 years ago. Sold him the weapons to take control of the region. We put him in power. Helped him stay in power. Ignored his human rights violations, just like we do now in China.

    Only when our puppet started trying to do the same things we had always done (by invading Kuwait, for their oil), did we find ANYTHING wrong with him. We are a nation of fucking hypocrites. Bush is the "leader" of this hypocrisy, along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tom Delay, etc., etc. Who do you think is gonna have to bite the bullet for the republican party for the "fucking fiasco" in New Orleans? Ever heard of FEMA? Realizing, of course, that bush didn't call his vacation short until Wednesday? Two days after the hurricane.
     
  21. Mr.Jack4WAR Hating the Hated Registered Senior Member

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    what now?
    did bush start the hurricane??
    did he tear the dams down himself?
    he wasn't on vacation. He was at his lodge in Texas, which he still upholds his duty as a president.
    Its a way for him to relieve stress and pressure.. (Example: The people on this site)
    This was on a local news channel: it described the inside of his lodge WITH A WORK AREA!- dont be suprised just yet!
    Not only does he WORK!!! he also was preparing SPEECHES!!
    now u don't honestly think a president, of ANY era, may write a speech on the biggest natural disaster in the US in only a few hours?

    it also showed pictures of his dressed in the proper attire (except for a few times

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    but who cares?
    he has a cavalier personality and, to me, a hard worker.
    Now I know what all of yall are thinking :"Hes dumb. Hes careless. Hes the stupidest guy around"
    ok, if those were true, don't you think that every one associated with his job would be fired on the spot?
    or is everyone in the whitehouse accused of stupidity.
    Well until those charges are proven true, ill go listen to my "PUPPET"

    at least my spokesman is an official man of buisness and DRESSES APPROPRIATE AND STAYS IN FUCKING SHAPE AND KEEPS STAINS OF HIS SHIRT FROM THE CHICKEN HE ATE THE NIGHT BEFORE!!
    you mother fucking fat ass michael moore lovers you.
     
  22. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Are you saying/implying that a man can't change in 20-30 years? At the time, Saddam was a "good guy" ....or perhaps you think he was lying and that we should have seen the truth? What are you saying, Cotton?

    And remember, we elect government officials all the time who turn out to be less than what we thought or what they said they'd do. So don't act/post like people can't change!

    So you're saying/implying that we should attack all those nations that violate "human rights"? ...that we should attack China and force them to respect "human rights"? What are you saying, Cotton?

    As to the hurricane efforts, from your post, I can only say that you and most people here have never been managers of a group of people! A leader, just SAYING "Do that job!" is not the same as getting the job done!! There are many, many people and supplies and equipment with which to deal ...just standing up there and yelling does NOT make any of it work!!

    Baron Max
     
  23. nativikee Registered Member

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    I dont care what yall say. Bush is a fake hes acting Like he wants too help all the people in new orleans and he dont care for iraq or our soldiers, he just wants to be know for taking over a country. Im starting a petition too banned him from usa. why not hes trying to do it to pits, why cant i do it to him.lol.
     

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