Oil storm

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Asguard, Sep 11, 2005.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I was watching a show called oil storm which is scary to say the least both in how many people were killed, what it would mean for here and what the yanks could be willing to do if desprate

    is this possable as a worst case and how likly is it?
     
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  3. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't see it, but I read a few reviews. The drama makes an important general point (US financial dependency on Mideast oil presents immense vulnerabilities) but goes in very implausible directions. US forces cannot re-enter Saudi Arabia to prop up the regime, because such an intervention would now implode the Saudi monarchy faster than the deployment could be completed.

    I am concerned that the US is headed directly for a crisis of oil supply, loss of international goodwill, and international divestment that will send us reeling. But Oil Storm seems like it could have been much more significant if it had informed on the dangers with more realism relating to actual contemporary US geoeconomic and especially geopolitical dangers.

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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think the problem goes beyond mideast oil, its our dependency on all oil that is our achilles heel.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    That's why hydrogen would be a viable alternative making it with nuclear power plants.
     
  8. marv Just a dumb hillbilly... Registered Senior Member

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    Now you're onto the US's Iraq strategy. Let the Saudis implode gradually by surrounding them with non-violent, secular Islam states.
    The problem with hydrogen is that it take more energy to produce than it yields as an energy source. I don't think even using nuclear power to produce it would make it economical.

    A more practical direction would be for vehicles to go to the Wankle rotary engine design (Mazda RX-8) or something like the turbine Chrysler played around with in the mid 1950's.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps we can kill two birds with one stone. We can employ all the unemployed by hiring them to carry the others around in a rickshaw, or a palanquin like in fuedal Japan.
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Have you ever thought about what is happening to our environment when oil is used to make fuel? They must use energy to find the oil, which takes time and money and 4 times out of 5 there's no oil where they dig. They destroy the environment many times when they dig for oil for most oil is out in the wilderness and roads must be made through the wilderness to get to the oil.

    Then there's the oil spills and leaking oil wells. The oil platforms in the oceans that fall appart or are destroyed by waves or winds. The supertankers that run aground and pollute the waters. The pollutants that are released into our air we breathe by the millions of tons daily. At what costs to the envirinment and humans health is oil production worth it? By using nuclear energy to get hydrogen we aren't having to search for oil, there's no pollution if hydrogen were to escape into our atmoosphere and any country could produce hydrogen instead of importing oil fromn just a few countries that have a stranglehold on what it costs.

    Any car you suggest will still burn gasoline and pollute but burning hydrogen won't pollute at all and it is totally renewable unlike oil. Once oil runs out then everyone will be asking why wasn't there an alternative! I'd say let's get hydrogen production going now for it will take time to impliment its distribution and production and time is getting short.
     
  11. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    but do we need to use conventional power to create the hydrogen? or could it be done with solar power? or wind? If it would take fosal fuels to create hydogen (at the moment) then surly its a waste of money and time and it would be better to make electric cars and then use clean forms of electricity
     
  12. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    We need to use nuclear for solar, wind and water power won't produce the power needed to get the amouts of hydrogen that millions of people will need. Perhaps one day fusion power will come into being but we can't wait , I don't think, that long.
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    do you think if the goverments of the world actually started to SERIOUSLY try to work on fusion (not just say they are and keep relying on oil and coal on the side) then we would actually get it?

    there is a reactor in australia that they are trying to get running

    hey something i have been wondering for ages (because my mind is always on cooking) can we ever develop a form of fuel that is clean but as responcive as gas is for cooking? I cant stand electric stoves (and i dont feel any guilt using natural gas stove when thats what the goverment is pushing as cleaner than coal electric anyway) because they cant be ajusted as fast as a gas stove can be. I mean for making things like Anglaze where acuracy is VERY important (to the degree) electricity is just impossable to use, will we ever have something better than gas?
     
  14. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Hydrogen can be used insted of propane or natural gas that is used today.

    Yes, fusion will be available one day in the future but that could be 50 or 100 years away.
     
  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    now how much quicker could we have had it if our goverments had got off there collective asses in time

    knowing how the world is now tho is it (especially the US) as vulnerable right now as was shown in that movie?

    Yes its a worst case not a best case but where is the fun in predicting best case senarios

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    could it cause another great depression?
     
  16. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Many countries have been coming to America to help solve the fusion problem and other countries, like Russia, have also been working at this problem. It has been 50 years since over 500 billion dollars has been spent trying to get this fusion process to work. The greatest minds have had a go at this problem but as yet have come up empty handed. It is has been a world wide effort in trying to produce fusion but the reality is that it is a very complex problem to figure out.


    No, only the greedy will create another depression for they take away the money from the middle class and use it for their own well being. There's going to be a recession for sure but it is again caused by those at the top wanting more and more which the media never discusses anout for they are part of the problem.
     
  17. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    so compleatly loosing oil (as a worst case) wouldnt cause a depression?
     
  18. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    There's plenty of oil so the greedy will push the prices up so high that not many will afford it and therefore cause a recession first. Oil will be there for many years to come but the greedy will use clever ways to say we are out of oil as they once did back in the 1970's when they put the oil tankers offshore until the price of gas trippled then they let the tankers into the ports and the great gas crisis was over.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Oil prices are on the way down as we speak. Gasoline prices are dropping below $3.00 per gallon in the USA and the "experts" are saying they'll drop even lower.

    The law of supply and demand seems to be working just fine, huh?

    Baron Max
     
  20. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    There's nothing wrong with the oil production and if there was I'm certain they would increase prices way over 5.00 a gallon
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The magical market will fix everything won't it? Look they can't make money if no one can afford the oil, but the supply is fixed and the demand is increasing, do the math. US oil production peaked in the 1970's and Saudi Arabia isn't far behind, they are already pumping massive amounts of seawater into their primary wells to get everything they can out of it.

    Why is the total Saudi reserve a secret?
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Russia has more reserves and China is just beginning to search their country for reserves also.
     
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  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The total reserve of oil everywhere on this planet is the most well studied subject in geology. Certainly there will be more and more searching for less and less return. Isn't it time to plan for the end of cheap oil? There will come a time when it costs more energy to search and extract than you get in return. After that, it doesn't matter that only 50% of the total has been collected. The rest will never be extracted.
     

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