This is a call for nominations for the position of co-moderator in the World Events & Politics forum. The moderator will be chosen from the nominees at a later date (approximately one week) - Please declare your intention to run in this thread. Self-nominations only, please.


Nominees as of 6/25 @10:55 AM EST Tiassa
WellCookedFetus
Undecided
sargentlard

Largely to ensure a healthy field of candidates, and also because I do have the time, I'll throw my hat in. I doubt a campaign appeal would be of any use at this time.

hmm, just a question, why does world events need three mods whilst many forums lack a single mod... unless something's happened to CC. did you kill him???

CC has less time to spend, and has requested to drop his
mod status in WE&P. He will remain the moderator fo SciFi.

:m: Peace.

Count me in, I consider my self very neutral (in that politics is nothing but corruption and chaos for me.) you can be what ever side you want but once you start disrespecting other of diffrent view points I get angry.

The political campaigns have already started before all nominations are in...

That should promise a good election year on sciforum.

I would like to indicate my intention for mod.

I would like to nominate myself.

So how will the nominee be chosen to become mod?

By poll most likely

Hey goofyfish..mind updating the list?..I also nominated myself

Sorry - I vetoed that nomination. ;)

Undecided,

I'm not impugning your ability to mod impartially and fairly in any way, but isn't the WE&P forums the forums in which you are most active? I know that Coffee has always tried not to post in WE&P as a regular poster, can you accept not being able to speak your mind on a daily basis? Or will you split your persona between the moderator you and the poster you?

I wouldn't mind being the mod of the economics and history section.

Actively posting in a forum does not preclude you from being a mod.
A moderator can express his/her opinions as often as they would like.

:m: Peace.

Actively posting in a forum does not preclude you from being a mod.
A moderator can express his/her opinions as often as they would like.

:m: Peace.

But I've learned, in WE&P, that it helps. By not posting, the natives aren't as pissed at you. You can still be a mod and post, but it helps not to.

No problem with me, politics and world events has me very dishearten.

I noticed tiassa is on the ballot, no chance for any of the rest of us now, in the last 3 races the winner was always a existing moderator. :(

yep...i'm quite willing to wager some money on that.

spuriousmonkey,

But with betting odds of 1:1 you will earn no return. :D

You will have my vote WCF. Seriously, you would be great at that.

I noticed tiassa is on the ballot, no chance for any of the rest of us now, in the last 3 races the winner was always a existing moderator.

You may be underestimating my reputation. The ranks that would actually prefer someone other than me specifically are probably larger than any actual voting base I might somehow carry in my favor or those who would pitch me a vote in a field of good candidates.

I have no known fan base or support bloc, and a growing chorus of folks who just plain don't like me.

That, more than anything, should hopefully lighten your concern.

Awww come on Tiassa...how can one Not Love you?..Isn't possible. :)

Well ... y'know .... :cool:

No your victory is pretty much assured. Considering the 3 other times and using Craterchain Novel logic a conspiracy must be going on :D

so if others can banter inanely in this thread, why can i not? eh fish?

wcf
did you catch my post in which i slam your ass before it got deleted?

You can banter inanely; most of your posts are inanane in any case.
What you cannot do is insult other members - hence the deleted post.

:m: Peace.

05-14-04, 10:30 AM

Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?

from here (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35496&page=5&pp=20)

the reference is in regards to quotes of this nature

10-12-03, 10:26 PM

No woman will ever fuck you no matter how much you beg some internet based skank to do so. Please quit pretending that they will so that you will sooner slide into a suicidal depression, slit your wrists and drown yourself in the blood.

Alternately, since you will never have a chance to use it, you could castrate yourself and shove your cock so far down your throat that you slowly choke to death.

that is policy adopted by the lord high grand poohbah himself. the suggestion is made that if content offends, "skip over" it perhaps consistency would be best served if you and others were to adopt said strategy.

kapeesh? :D

The word is spelled "capiche."

(This public service announcement has been brought to you by House Tiassa.)

kapeesh is modern day slang (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kapeesh)

capiche is 60 yr old slang (http://www.etymonline.com/c1etym.htm)

all are derived from the italian capisci

a discussion (http://www.wordwizard.com/clubhouse/founddiscuss1.asp?Num=4408)

kapeesh?

info brought to you by the house of hathor

"Kapeesh" is just another dumbing-down of the culture. Kind of like luv, gr8, and LOL. Great link. It really explains the intelligent path that leads to kapeesh. Of course, I haven't had the problem with people around me saying "coppish." That, too, is a dumbing down of things.

On the other hand, what does it really matter? After all, my partner went to a religious school when she was young where "thru" was acceptable because that was the way the world was going. This is also the partner who stopped me in the middle of a discussion to ask, "What's a centimeter?"

When we wrote "phuck" in the 1980s, we got it from skate magazines and it was an effort to duck the obvious censorship. These days people write "fuk" because they can't figure out how to spell the most useful vulgarity under the sun.

It's not like spelling Ghadafi.

Why should colloquial language also have colloquial rules? Generally speaking, people should at least know how to spell the simple words without referring to an "urban dictionary" designed to cater to those trying to understand what illiterates are saying ("coppish") and writing ("kapeesh").

Remember that ignorance is one of the driving forces in lexical evolution. Literally, m8, u need to git it thru yer hed that theyre r certin wayz to comunick8.

I don't deny that "kapeesh" is modern day slang and "capiche" is the older version. It's just that "kapeesh" comes from a bunch of people who were too stupid to spell "capiche."

Watch the American dictionaries over time. They do accommodate bad spelling and public trends. After a while, words people insist on using creep into dictionaries. Like "d'oh!"

It's a little like watching Americans use the word "terrorism" or "ad hominem." The incoherence of the present is brought to you by the illiterates who insist that they have a god-given right to respect. It makes sense that a colloquial word like "capiche," left in the hands of society's most transitional colloquial elements, should be distorted and degraded to accommodate yet another level of ignorance.

I mean, if I said, "Fuck you, you fucking rapist," you probably wouldn't take it as praise, would you?

Tiassa,assuming that you run for a moderator and you win...Would you go on for Msft Bashing spree yet again?...I hope you dont do it. :(

bye!

Tiassa has my vote...

Do members have the privilage to vote?

Zion

Would you go on for Msft Bashing spree yet again?

Thankfully, I'm generally isolated enough from Microsoft that the offenses don't pile up daily. It also requires external factors, including irrational associates who wouldn't know how to download an email attachment even if it did work chewing their nails over your shoulder and a growing nicotine fit because the first portion of my day has been spent in the presence of that hand-wringing, whining snot.

Fireguy

After the nomination period closes, there will be a separate topic for the general vote. All registered members of Sciforums not banned by specific administrative action have the vote.

All registered members of Sciforums not banned by specific administrative action have the vote.

LOL! i wonder if that statement was added in light of my recent post in 'Feedback'[?] forum....or maybe I'm just paranoid....either way, i find it funny.

I don't deny that "kapeesh" is modern day slang and "capiche" is the older version. It's just that "kapeesh" comes from a bunch of people who were too stupid to spell "capiche."

ahh yes, this reminds me of a nitpicking culture vulture i once knew.
accusations of illiteracy however can pop up in the most unexpected of instances.

<a> "i like the color of my new checks" writes the illiterate
<b> "wrong! writes the anally retentive culture vulture. "it is....i like the colour of my new cheques.

what is your style? a? or b?

Etymology of color

From Old French coulour, from Latin color. In American spelling the 'u' was dropped from colour to aid in spelling. In British spelling the 'u' remains.

of course we all know that color is spelt without the u because a bunch of people were too stupid to spell it correctly. what is worse is that there are some that do know the "original and correct" form but yet persist in perpetuating ignorance.

i wonder if these puristic culture vultures would have to speak old english if consistency and "street cred" were to remain. shit, for that matter, these tards would have to regress back to pictograms.

quotes

*'Although American customs in spelling have never differed widely from British, such differences as have existed have nevertheless been treated as though they were matters of some moment, as though the Americans had really done something startling to spelling' (Krapp, 1960, 328)

i agree. while the criticisms usually flowed from east to west, you have the occasional wannabes on this side of the "pond" that hold themselves up as the defenders of some mythical period of vernacular righteousness

*'All that can be safely asserted of the contemporary conventions of standard Canadian English spelling, when there is a British/American choice, is that the norm is not yet to choose either indifferently for the same word in the same text' (Pratt, 1993, 59)

*The Australian Government Style Manual 'arbitrates on many of the currently variable points of English spelling, generally adhering to what is often thought of as British rather than American practice' (Peters & Delbridge, 1989, 129)

a plague of culture vultures! the choice is one of vanity over efficiency.

tips for culture vultures

The "s" in "island" was not in the original spelling, but was inserted later -- and thus is etymologically incorrect. The "b" in "crumb" and "thumb" were intentionally added a few centuries ago as silent letters. So was the "g" in "foreign" and "sovereign" (those two words are completely unrelated to "reign"), the "h" in "ghost," and the "p" in "ptarmigan." The "h" and the "y" in "rhyme," and the use of "ch" in "ache" are similarly spurious (one could make a case for the "c" in "ache" having a historic basis, but the use of the "h" after it is purely spurious). "Iland," "crum," "thum," "forein," "soverein," "gost," "tarmigan," "rime," and "ake" are spellings that more closely show the true origins of those words, while the current forms that "look right" are not really showing the correct history.

who here amongst us are the guilty? (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/spell/engori.html)

alright! perhaps i get horrified as well despite the fact that i am pro reform

ameba

"Ameba" is the first given spelling in most American medical and scientific dictionaries as of the late 1990s. Further, the entry in the "Random House College," 2nd Edition (1997) reads: ..

ameba or amoeba (n.) ..
However, "Merriam-Webster's Collegiate," 10th Edition (1993), the "American Heritage," 3rd Edition (1992), and other American dictionaries list "amoeba" first, with "ameba" as a variant.

variations in spelling (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/spell/varsp.html)

the visual is upsetting, is it not? it offends the fragile sensibilities that we hold so dear, does it not? ;)

anyway, i however acknowledge this "horror" is inspired by irrational and dogmatic ideals of what should be.
of course, i could also simply be a working class stiff playing out my uppity delusions of grandeur on this board

hark! it's noah webster! after him!

It makes sense that a colloquial word like "capiche," left in the hands of society's most transitional colloquial elements, should be distorted and degraded to accommodate yet another level of ignorance.

the distinction you make is hardly notable enough to distinguish you from the present "level of ignorance"

what was it you said.....yes..

I don't deny that "kapeesh" is modern day slang and "capiche" is the older version.

The word is spelled "capiche."

you wallow contentedly at a previous "level of ignorance" and yet have the gall and hypocrisy to lecture others?

thats it. lets call the whole thing off

There's a difference between the functional evolution of language and colloquialisms getting even more ridiculous.

The change in spelling decontextualizes it somewhat from a word with specific connotations to simple dumbass vernacular.

What's so hard to grasp about the idea that it's unfortunate that we extol the dubious virtues of the illiterate by imitating them?

By the way, did anyone catch that the Washington Post actually printed the phrase "Fuck yourself," in the coverage of Veep Dick? I don't know how widespread such propriety in reporting is, as I don't really care about the story, but it's nice to know that someone's making sure to include the phrase in polite conversation.

i will hold off my reply until i have a bad day. it will be more exciting then. lots of fun to be had. i promise

tiassa, please admit you're wrong. Stop trying so hard.

Lemme axe yew a kestchin: Should society evolve on the merit of its least capable?

Really ... it just amazes me that people put so much effort into justify their forays into the lifestyles of the dim and misguided. I realize that consistent spelling is too much to ask of a culture in general, but something about using a colloquial dictionary to establish the legitimacy of a colloquial degradation of a colloquialism strikes me as just odd. Colloquial dictionaries exist to explain the twisting of conventional communication taking place within the vernacular. They don't legitimize colloquialisms as proper communication.

Please drive thru.
Laff it up.
Axe someone a question.
It's all so fukd.
Kapeesh?

There was a time when the letters in a word indicated something about its phonetics despite local accents.

What, can nobody say "laugh" anymore? Does everyone say "laff"? Of course, up here, people think you're English if you can say "laugh."

Here's an interesting thing: the "b" at the end of crumb isn't entirely silent. It's a natural result of the action of speaking the word. Putting an "f" in the place of "gh" actually seems rather natural. If you can actually say "laugh," check where your teeth and your lips are when you finish the "gh". The "f" sound almost rolls off naturally, and the "gh" disappears into the pronunciation.

Of course, if I was a real culture vulture, I would be on a campaign against "wh." By our accent in the northwest, we never speak that combination of letters, but rather, "hw." "Hwen?" "Hwat?" "Hwere?" "Hwy?" The "w" disappears entirely in "who" and "whom."

But "kapeesh" to me is a little like "fuk" to a 7 year-old. It looks correct phonetically, so that's all that matters, eh?

I just wish people would put some effort into their attitudes. That's all. Aside from that, I'm perfectly willing to shake my head and chuckle as the menagerie wanders blindly past.

Americanisms abound in the English language. But come on ... adaptation to accommodate those who cannot spell the colloquialisms they use? Give me a break. That's so fukd. That's like, so dum. It's the kind of thing that comes from smoking 2 much crak. Thats lik the nacho cheez niger jok. It's even dummer than the hizzouse.

I do admit to a certain snobbery. There's a fourth-frame aspect in any good colloquialism. These days, slang isn't even worth the one-panel daily tripe. Who thinks dumshits are cool? "Not Me."

Makes me want to slap a dum fukking bich.

(Or, to put it simply, I'm reminded of a girl, Cindy, who in seventh grade went through that phase where her name was Syndie, complete with the little heart over the I. And then a New York hottie named Cori showed up at school and all extraneous letters went away: Syndi. See? It all makes perfect sense.)

Lemme axe yew a kestchin: Should society evolve on the merit of its least capable?
-----------------------------
Axe someone a question.


Ermmm Tiassa, are you trying to sound like George Bush to get the votes from the right? :confused: I mean moderating for the Politics forum and all....

Next you're going to start saying 'nuculear'. :eek:


:D

Don't oppress me, m8!

And it is nuculer. The "s" is silent!

Get with the times, crakhed.

(I hope you realize I'm merely enjoying the sarcasm of it all. It's not necessarily the need to get votes from the right--that's a hopeless cause. But I live in a country filled with onomatopoeic comic books, and whose people survived an overdose of George Michael in a band of that name, and they still think the word is "wam!" Watching someone write poor colloquialisms is a bit like watching a gangster try to be tough and say, "Capiche?" while dressed in a pink tutu with "hair gel"--yeah, that's it ... it's hair gel--dripping from his ear.)

Besides ... I'm not officially campaigning yet. I'm merely "representin' the hood.°"
____________________

° representin' the hood - I actually have no qualms with the 1990s abuse of the word "represent" aside from my general objection to any overdosed term. Can't stand it, but at least it was decently used in its punch-and-judy variety.

I am not much of grandiloquent charracter myself,but i do believe that Colloquialism has degraded to some extent in English.I would say,British english is the purest form of English,But still there are traces of accent in it.I think Accent free Language is the purest form of it.English relies on Accent,since it needs it,because of lack of Alphabets to pronounce certain words.Sanskrit or Hindi in this context are more complete.German is one other language you could say has a sense of words for which english has no synonyms.
Perhaps that is why,Germany has plans to make Sanskrit the Language of Computers,because of its Non-Ambigous and Pure Nature.Even Latin i think has some ambiguities(if am correct),but Sanskrit.No.None of them.

bye!

goofyfish,

I hope is still multi-choice voting. :)

Hathor,

Whats your problem with me?

you will never know cos the goofball keeps deleting the posts :D

Next you're going to start saying 'nuculear'.

It’s a sad day; I pronounce it like that.

tiassa

Lemme axe yew a kestchin: Should society evolve on the merit of its least capable?

that depends. we do not have a counterpart of the "Acadamie Francaise" that ensure purity of language by preventing contamination. neither do we have stalinesque types that sit on their thrones censoring language and compiling lists of approved words. of course i am now aware of at least one candidate that aspires to sit his "porcelain ass" on that throne

what we do have is dynamic and fluid conditions under which language evolves naturally. this ensures flexibility and allows language to keep up with social and technological advancements. i do not mind reform. nothing radical however and definitely never for frivolous reasons

Really ... it just amazes me that people put so much effort into justify their forays into the lifestyles of the dim and misguided.

what can i say. amazement is an affliction the staid and conservative typically suffer from. as for the "dim and misguided"...your idiosyncrasies and fragile emotional states is hardly my concern

I realize that consistent spelling is too much to ask of a culture in general,

envision a procedure where one "asks" a culture to do so. alternately, you could simply get your rocks off by bashing your head against a brick wall

..but something about using a colloquial dictionary to establish the legitimacy of a colloquial degradation of a colloquialism strikes me as just odd.

it is simple as "alternate spellings". those with even the barest modicum of intellect and imagination should be able to accomadate the variations. unfortunately tho i know of no way around pigheaded attitudes

Colloquial dictionaries exist to explain the twisting of conventional communication taking place within the vernacular. They don't legitimize colloquialisms as proper communication.

a better example of a myopic outlook on life would be hard to find. it appears you are trapped in a timewarp. ie: what is, always will be.

lets look at french and its evolution. this is a language that make culture vultures practically orgasmic (change yer pants, boy!) they assume this language has always been and yet fail to recognize it is nothing but a "degenerate" form of latin. it appears the culture vultures of that period failed in their mission to halt the spread of that disease. we all know the status of french now.

of course it would be bereft of me if i did not touch on the hypocrisy of these vultures once again. they appear to be quite happy with colloquials that had been established at some distant past. it appears the criteria is one of antiquity and inclusion in "literary works".

06-05-04, 03:50 AM

Fair 'nuff.

Bad 'nuff to be poor nigger massa, widout hab his shin kick, said the boy. 1880 J. C. HARRIS Uncle Remus (1881)

oed (http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00328246?single=1&query_type=word&queryword=+%27nuff&edition=2e&first=1&max_to_show=10)

an honest attempt at consistency demands you engage in some wagging towards yourself. i must confess to feelings of disgust now. hmm, i also feel the need for a nitpick

Yesterday, 09:40 AM
Renault is a bigger joke than Peugot in this country.

frikkin illiterates dumbing down shit. it is spelt peugeot. i would not be surprised if, as a consequence of the spelling, you articulate the "t".

06-24-04, 03:08 AM

You'd be amazed at the shit I got last week for using the word "faggy."

justify its usage as a description of a homosexual. show me how it is a "functional evolution" of language. indicate how you are not a dumbed down victim hoaxed into using a degradation of language.

There was a time when the letters in a word indicated something about its phonetics despite local accents.

and which mythical period do you refer to? get specific. i tire of these halfassed assertions.

What, can nobody say "laugh" anymore? Does everyone say "laff"? Of course, up here, people think you're English if you can say "laugh."

hmm. a whiny temper tantrum. you visibly deflate

Of course, if I was a real culture vulture, I would be on a campaign against "wh."

you lack focus. you are on a campaign. your issue? kapeesh vs capiche

But "kapeesh" to me is a little like "fuk" to a 7 year-old. It looks correct phonetically, so that's all that matters, eh?

pathetic. i see no need to indulge your irrational idiosyncrasies and unsophisticated attempts at belittlement

I just wish people would put some effort into their attitudes. That's all. Aside from that, I'm perfectly willing to shake my head and chuckle as the menagerie wanders blindly past.

you wish? that is some delusion. this effort you speak of is one where it is never adequate enough until the attitude perfectly coincides with the one you hold.

you omitted the wagging of a finger. it complements the head wag. try it out. i hear nirvana could be found in such a state

Americanisms abound in the English language. But come on ... adaptation to accommodate those who cannot spell the colloquialisms they use?

what do you actually do about this issue apart from rail impotently on this board? do you plan on taking down, one person at a time?

I do admit to a certain snobbery.

why? it is apparent to all and it is not as if you are confessing some deep dark secret. personally, i think you try too hard. see, those that do have class do not parade it in the gaudy manner as you are so fond of doing. one wonders what could be the motivation? if i were to hazard a guess it would be self hatred. you are very much aware of your working class and hick nw status that it positively grates. the method of compensation are the delusions of grandeur that you act out on this board.

is that not right, boy?

*There's a fourth-frame aspect in any good colloquialism. These days, slang isn't even worth the one-panel daily tripe. Who thinks dumshits are cool? "Not Me."

Makes me want to slap a dum fukking bich.

*(Or, to put it simply, I'm reminded of a girl, Cindy, who in seventh grade went through that phase where her name was Syndie, complete with the little heart over the I. And then a New York hottie named Cori showed up at school and all extraneous letters went away: Syndi. See? It all makes perfect sense.)

*Give me a break. That's so fukd. That's like, so dum. It's the kind of thing that comes from smoking 2 much crak. Thats lik the nacho cheez niger jok. It's even dummer than the hizzouse.

*Please drive thru.
Laff it up.
Axe someone a question.
It's all so fukd.
Kapeesh?

i see you regressed into a childish display of a temper tantrum. carry on then

tiassa

Here's an interesting thing: the "b" at the end of crumb isn't entirely silent. It's a natural result of the action of speaking the word. Putting an "f" in the place of "gh" actually seems rather natural. If you can actually say "laugh," check where your teeth and your lips are when you finish the "gh". The "f" sound almost rolls off naturally, and the "gh" disappears into the pronunciation.

perhaps the only thing of note in that post. i will look into this

Elect me and I will let you call me what ever you want without fear of deletion. (just don’t try that on other members)

no. you are unfit. your disinterest and disdain for the subject bothers me. withdraw your nomination. do it for the community.

the best man here is undecided. the fucker's focus and grasp of detail is incredible. a definite asset to the forum

run for mod status if bio comes up for grabs. if the monkey doesnt run, you got my vote

you lack focus. you are on a campaign. your issue? kapeesh vs capiche

I think it's rather an interesting issue. The simple fact is that people who are not compelled to communicate clearly are no longer capable of understanding even the colloquialisms they use.

If that isn't a beguiling testament to humanity, well, that's your loss. I find it rather fascinating that people demand some sort of intellectual credibility for using dysfunctional forms of what is generally noncommunicative language in the first place.

i do not mind reform. nothing radical however and definitely never for frivolous reasons

So raising laziness and illiteracy to a literary and linguistic pedestal isn't frivolous?

Do you remember, from the late 1980s, "professionally-torn acid-wash denim"? In the face of $400 flannel shirts and $200 long underwear, $80 bucks for a pair of jeans tailored to fall apart in weeks just doesn't seem so frivolous anymore. But that's just an illusion.

Fashion is frivolous, whether it's clothing or architechture or language or whatever.

Elect me and I will let you call me what ever you want without fear of deletion. (just don?t try that on other members)
Tiger offers Bait to goats?...:D

bye!

tiassa

I think it's rather an interesting issue. The simple fact is that people who are not compelled to communicate clearly are no longer capable of understanding even the colloquialisms they use.

bogus. despite the variation in spelling, you understood what i intended to convey. others probably could too.
furthermore, etymology is specialized field of study. it is unreasonable (not to mention, insane) to expect the general populace to know the roots of the terminology employed in their speech

If that isn't a beguiling testament to humanity, well, that's your loss. I find it rather fascinating that people demand some sort of intellectual credibility for using dysfunctional forms of what is generally noncommunicative language in the first place.

again, you understood enough to make a minor correction. you also persist in ignoring the fact that what is once held to be "dysfunctional" can pass into established usage over time. ie: terms in the slang dic move into webster. that is a fact that has to be dealt with. your idealism may cause you to rant and rave but unfortunately it has no relevance to reality

So raising laziness and illiteracy to a literary and linguistic pedestal isn't frivolous?

no. i do not claim to understand the exact manner on how kapeesh was formulated but if i were to hazard a guess, it would be an attempt by one to spell an unknown word. without a reference, one would rely on a phonetic spelling. there is logic at play here. as such i refuse to characterize it as frivolous.

this "literary and linguistic pedestal" is a moving target. pick a word, hold it out as the definitive form. all i would have to do go back to its previous incarnation and claim purity (and of course, the charge of illiteracy)

fortunately, i refuse to be that small minded and petty
a word to the wise. do not plan on irritating with shit like this again. if style offends, put on ignore. i have no intention of accomadating your ass

edit:spelling :D

Hathor,

A moderator is not supposed to be focus on the issue, he just suppose to keep everyone calm and fair, no flaming. If a politically focused moderator is appointed, even if he tries to be fair to all sides they will claim he’s helping one side over another.

by the way seriously what your problem against me?

I think since we have more then 1 sub-forum here we should be elected more then one moderator.

A moderator is not supposed to be focus on the issue, he just suppose to keep everyone calm and fair, no flaming. If a politically focused moderator is appointed, even if he tries to be fair to all sides they will claim he’s helping one side over another.

aint you a right winger? (am too lazy to scroll your history)
in fact you have a point. disdain and disinterest are a better assets than involvement. like cc mentioned, perhaps it is also best not participate.

by the way seriously what your problem against me?

man, goofball! your deletion is causing more problems than if you had allowed it to remain

dude! wcf! i am a fan. now chill

aaaah ok, but I should warn you I voted for other guy.

bogus. despite the variation in spelling, you understood what i intended to convey. others probably could too.
furthermore, etymology is specialized field of study. it is unreasonable (not to mention, insane) to expect the general populace to know the roots of the terminology employed in their speech

Maybe you should make a more consistent argument. You call one thing bogus and then go on to talk about something else in order to make your point.

What a waste.

That I understand? What's the problem?

Just becuz I dont lik speling evrything fonetikly duznt meen I kant put xtra efort in2 undrstanding wut u r saying.

you also persist in ignoring the fact that what is once held to be "dysfunctional" can pass into established usage over time.

You are ... off-course with that.

I persist in ignoring the fact that what was once held to be dysfunctional can pass into established usage over time? Hello? Do you really think it sounds intelligent when you tell me I persist in ignoring exactly what I'm addressing?

Really ... do you think that's a good argument on your part?

And that's a serious question. It helps me figure out what I'm dealing with in this discussion.

ie: terms in the slang dic move into webster. that is a fact that has to be dealt with. your idealism may cause you to rant and rave but unfortunately it has no relevance to reality

You overlook the issue with such a simplification. I consider this point of yours rather problematic since you're trying to establish the credibility of your argument in the legitimacy of the phonetic spelling and colloquial degradation of a colloquialism by citing a reference designed to compile exactly such odd mutations in the language.

no. i do not claim to understand the exact manner on how kapeesh was formulated but if i were to hazard a guess, it would be an attempt by one to spell an unknown word. without a reference, one would rely on a phonetic spelling. there is logic at play here. as such i refuse to characterize it as frivolous.

Wow. Never have I seen such reverence for the theory of the uneducated guess.

Having only ever heard the word as a child, I can tell you that I never imagined it spelled kapeesh. Seeing it written the first time, I knew what the word was immediately, even without context. "Kapeesh" is entirely untextured, a basic phonetic derivation which strips the word of any indication on how to say it. Capiche there is little question about if you're smart enough to not guess "KA pee chay." Much like the "silent B" in crumb, or the ghost of "gh" in laugh, that last "e" in capiche does not disappear entirely if you say the word correctly.

If you cut away the southern accent, the classic New York and New Jersey accents, ignore nearly-lost archetypal Chicago accent, and look at words from the perspective of the flat, dull, unburnished "dead American" accent that connects Minnesota to Seattle and Kansas to California and persists in specialized necessity throughout other regions of the country--this is the phonetic according to which "kapeesh" is a reasonable rendering of the word.

The logic at play in the spelling of "kapeesh" is the logic of someone who does not know how to read, and thus is otherwise unable (or unwilling) to look things up when they're confused.

So "kapeesh" represents to me an illiterate attempt to be fashionable at worst or stylish at best. It's kind of like carrying a squirt gun to school in order to look "gangsta." If one takes a moment to look into the potential ramifications of the idea, one would quickly see that carrying a squirt gun wouldn't be a good idea. But this is America, and one has the right to believe any ol' idea in the world is good, and they have no obligations to reality in that sense.

this "literary and linguistic pedestal" is a moving target. pick a word, hold it out as the definitive form. all i would have to do go back to its previous incarnation and claim purity (and of course, the charge of illiteracy)

So you're claiming that language only evolves according to illiteracy?

Quite a risky thesis, Hathor.

Now, now ... before you go and say that's not what you're saying, please consider that it is the result of what you're saying.

fortunately, i refuse to be that small minded and petty

No, at least you're trying to be original in your pettiness.

a word to the wise. do not plan on irritating with shit like this again. if style offends, put on ignore. i have no intention of accomadating your ass

Oh, gee, Hathor. I'm frightened.

Really, I hope you're not even getting warmed up yet, because that's just pathetic.

I mean, you're relying on the illiterate and celebrating their dysfunction.

If style offends ....

Style in general isn't offensive. But making a mockery of society's marginalized by instituting their deficiencies as "style" is rather a low representation of yourself, Hathor.

Think about it: guy wants style, so he says, "Capiche." But guy who wants style doesn't know how to spell it. So he makes something up. This, apparently, is the route to the evolution of language?

I mean, since you argue that all evolution of language can be charged with illiteracy?

Pretty sad.

The sad thing with the way this thread is developing is that anyone who may want to post their nomination for the forum may change their minds because their spelling may not be up to scratch. :bugeye:

A joke is one thing boys, but carrying it on for nearly two pages is another thing all together.

It’s a sad day; I pronounce it like that.
Many do Coffee. I have heard not only your president pronounce it as such, but many seasoned journalist and academics also. In all honesty, it is not an easy word to pronounce.

Don't oppress me, m8!
Spot the one who has been watching too much Steve Irwin. ;)

(I hope you realize I'm merely enjoying the sarcasm of it all. It's not necessarily the need to get votes from the right--that's a hopeless cause. But I live in a country filled with onomatopoeic comic books, and whose people survived an overdose of George Michael in a band of that name, and they still think the word is "wam!" Watching someone write poor colloquialisms is a bit like watching a gangster try to be tough and say, "Capiche?" while dressed in a pink tutu with "hair gel"--yeah, that's it ... it's hair gel--dripping from his ear.)
This has got to be the funniest shit I've read in long time.

Congrats, Tiss.

My pleasure. It's good to know I don't piss you off 100% of the time.

This has got to be the funniest shit I've read in long time.

Congrats, Tiss.

funny? tired and old is how i see it. the last time i encountered stuff like that is when a gay buddy of mine went into full bitch mode. the cattiness was a sight to behold

tiassa's groove needs a makeover.
tired old hack. the rants are soooo predictable and formulaic.

easily amused, eh hed?

Maybe you should make a more consistent argument. You call one thing bogus and then go on to talk about something else in order to make your point.

your inadequacy in following the train of thought that you introduced is hardly my problem. however, allow me to hammer it into your skull this time around

I think it's rather an interesting issue.

no comment

The simple fact is that people who are not compelled to communicate clearly...

bogus, it was obviously clear enough for you to figure out meaning. kapeesh? regardless of your distaste for purported origins and spelling, the msg came thru loud and clear. kapeesh?

...are no longer capable of understanding even the colloquialisms they use.

there are two ways i could interprete this.
1 - kapeesh is uttered without comprehension. that is an absolutely ridiculous scenario and is discarded as it is the spelling that is in dispute and not one's understanding of it
2 - i then go on to assume that you must be referring to the people's lack of understanding of the roots of the colloquialisms they use.

i see no other avenues of interpretation and hence chose the latter. as a result i respond with...

"furthermore, etymology is specialized field of study. it is unreasonable (not to mention, insane) to expect the general populace to know the roots of the terminology employed in their speech " kapeesh?

What a waste.

yuck, your sincerity reeks

That I understand? What's the problem?

huh? neurons misfiring?

Just becuz I dont lik speling evrything fonetikly duznt meen I kant put xtra efort in2 undrstanding wut u r saying.

recognition was immediate. there was no extra effort. (i am psychic)

You are ... off-course with that.
I persist in ignoring the fact that what was once held to be dysfunctional can pass into established usage over time? Hello? Do you really think it sounds intelligent when you tell me I persist in ignoring exactly what I'm addressing?
Really ... do you think that's a good argument on your part?
And that's a serious question. It helps me figure out what I'm dealing with in this discussion.

it is not an argument. it is an observation of your position. it is also a statement of fact. allow me to elaborate

you start off with an acknowledgement:

Watch the American dictionaries over time. They do accommodate bad spelling and public trends. After a while, words people insist on using creep into dictionaries. Like "d'oh!"

you then go on to take issue with your own premise:

But come on ... adaptation to accommodate those who cannot spell the colloquialisms they use? Give me a break.

and you keep at it. ad nauseaum

you must understand that i do not give a rats ass about your personal opinion on the word kapeesh. discomfort, emotional distress and offended sensibilities are issues that you will have to deal on your own. i suggest medical intervention.
i find your take irrational and unreasonable. it is also very hypocritical.

It helps me figure out what I'm dealing with in this discussion.

you have conveniently refused to acknowledge at least 2 posts. perhaps the problem lies there. put a genuine effort into comprehending the entire topic instead of selectively extracting points you can throw a hissy fit over

You overlook the issue with such a simplification. I consider this point of yours rather problematic since you're trying to establish the credibility of your argument in the legitimacy of the phonetic spelling and colloquial degradation of a colloquialism by citing a reference designed to compile exactly such odd mutations in the language.

it is out there. references abound in popular culture to that form. my guess is that the current mutation, regardless of how it came about, will replace the previous one. besides, it has happened before. culture vultures have ranted and rave for centuries on stuff like this and they will keep doing so. what the curent vultures are not aware of is that they probably employ jargon that were subject to hissy fits by the vultures of old.

let me reiterate on why you have no credibility on this issue

1 - kapeesh - original form - capiche
2 - 'nuff - original form - enough

you employ the second and refuse to consider the first. zero consistency

Wow. Never have I seen such reverence for the theory of the uneducated guess.

wow. never have i seen such a spiteful and exaggerated characterization on a rather simple theory. your disingenuity is noted

Having only ever heard the word as a child, I can tell you that I never imagined it spelled kapeesh . Seeing it written the first time, I knew what the word was immediately, even without context.

spare me your frikkin life story.

"Kapeesh" is entirely untextured, a basic phonetic derivation which strips the word of any indication on how to say it.

crap. it perfectly captures the modified pronounciation of the original form

Capiche there is little question about if you're smart enough to not guess "KA pee chay." Much like the "silent B" in crumb, or the ghost of "gh" in laugh, that last "e" in capiche does not disappear entirely if you say the word correctly.

the e has vanished because it is not required for pronouniciation

If you cut away the southern accent, the classic New York and New Jersey accents, ignore nearly-lost archetypal Chicago accent, and look at words from the perspective of the flat, dull, unburnished "dead American" accent that connects Minnesota to Seattle and Kansas to California and persists in specialized necessity throughout other regions of the country--this is the phonetic according to which "kapeesh" is a reasonable rendering of the word.

heh. how did you survive that admission? who the hell is twisting your arm? i particularly like this.

ignore nearly-lost archetypal Chicago accent

heh. go learn it, pass it on. keep it alive, man!

The logic at play in the spelling of "kapeesh" is the logic of someone who does not know how to read, and thus is otherwise unable (or unwilling) to look things up when they're confused.

irrelevant. again, no one gives a rat's ass about your biases

So "kapeesh" represents to me an illiterate attempt to be fashionable at worst or stylish at best.

you do not have a clue. in most cases, shit like this just happens. there is no attempt to do or be anything. on the other hand, it could be an effort by a literary type to propogate a modification.

your take is very shallow. infact it is catty, bitchy and a host of other descriptors that do not place you in a flattering light. aint fucking disco dead? take down that flashy strobe and aim for an academic treatment of the issue. the pouts and prancing grow tedious

It's kind of like carrying a squirt gun to school in order to look "gangsta." If one takes a moment to look into the potential ramifications of the idea, one would quickly see that carrying a squirt gun wouldn't be a good idea. But this is America, and one has the right to believe any ol' idea in the world is good, and they have no obligations to reality in that sense.

wake up, niggy! this exaggeration and attempts to blow out of proportion the issue at hand is tedious

So you're claiming that language only evolves according to illiteracy?
Quite a risky thesis, Hathor.

wait for the actual claim, mr gung ho. your over eagerness is extremely telling of your intent.

Now, now ...

you mean wag, wag..

before you go and say that's not what you're saying, please consider that it is the result of what you're saying. ]

this is fascinatingly disingenuous. in effect, you insist on your interpretation of my statement. why do you then bother to ask for clarification? you set the above up so if i were to accept..."it is the result of what you're saying", i cannot " say that's not what you're saying,"

the ploy is transparent and lack sophistication. what an amateurish attempt at a deliberate misrepresentation of my intent. the self expose however is appreciated.

let me explain simplify with scenarios so you may comprehend

this "literary and linguistic pedestal" is a moving target. pick a word, hold it out as the definitive form. all i would have to do go back to its previous incarnation and claim purity (and of course, the charge of illiteracy)

now looky here, boy!


06-05-04, 03:50 AM

Fair 'nuff.

allow me to introduce a culture vulture's take on that incoherent and illiterate sentence

Give me a break. That's so fukd. That's like, so dum. It's the kind of thing that comes from smoking 2 much crak. Thats lik the nacho cheez niger jok. It's even dummer than the hizzouse.

do you now understand? there is the charge of illiteracy. in your words (thanks)

why is it so hard to understand that language is not some static thing that exists in a vacuum?
why is it so hard to understand that personal preferences and biases are irrelevant?
i mean, it is ok to state your position.
what is not ok however, is to base an argument on such a flimsy and subjective platform

No, at least you're trying to be original in your pettiness.

"no"? so i am not being petty? then i am being petty? tedious!
in any case, document it. open up another front. get cracking, boy!

Oh, gee, Hathor. I'm frightened.

pardon, i can see how "a word to the wise." can be construed as a threat. my intent is to ignore...

The word is spelled "capiche."

...petty crap like this in the future. (i am aware your intent was to incite aflame war)

Really, I hope you're not even getting warmed up yet, because that's just pathetic.

naturally. you cannot say otherwise

I mean, you're relying on the illiterate and celebrating their dysfunction.

OUT OF CONTEXT:
A twisted version of NIT-PICKING, the technique here is to purposely misunderstand some word, phrase, or analogy and shift the focus to it instead of the subject. This ploy will derail the other person into a defense of the word, phrase, or analogy instead of the case at hand.

you have come to the wrong place. amateur night is down the street

Style in general isn't offensive. But making a mockery of society's marginalized by instituting their deficiencies as "style" is rather a low representation of yourself, Hathor.

you lie. you misrepresent.
you assume in our society that is only the marginalized that cannot spell. you assume that" kapeesh" could have only originated from a misspelling. you discount the possibility that it could have been a deliberate attempt to give the original, a phonetic structure.

you fantasize unrealistic situations and actually imagine a connection to reality
my "style" does not exist to mock anyone. i dig italians. niro rules.
you merely project your methods on to me. allow me to demonstrate on how you mock the niggers by thinly veiling it as a critique of language

*Makes me want to slap a dum fukking bich.

*That's so fukd. That's like, so dum. It's the kind of thing that comes from smoking 2 much crak. Thats lik the nacho cheez niger jok. It's even dummer than the hizzouse.''

[i]I'm merely "representin' the hood.°

pathetic, you mock entire communities due to a sub culture present within it
it is due to a total lack of class and bearing that allows one to expose prejudices in such a manner
the cattiness is another dead giveaway.
i would be ashamed

oh, it could also be blatant stupidity.

Think about it: guy wants style, so he says, "Capiche." But guy who wants style doesn't know how to spell it. So he makes something up. This, apparently, is the route to the evolution of language?

ahh you! you cheeky little irepressible devil you!

I mean, since you argue that all evolution of language can be charged with illiteracy?

woo hoo. overuse anyone? pump some gas, boy! you are running on empty

Pretty sad.

liar. you know you love it

This has got to be the funniest shit I've read in long time.

Congrats, Tiss.

anymore frikkin cheerleaders? step the fuck up and make your case

helle spookz,
disappointing to see you back after ranting you wouldn't. In anycase, make what fucking case? Shit was funny. That it reminds of your gay buddy's rants is irrelevant-- I do not know your buddy. It is not formulaic or predictable to me because I rarely read Tiassa's rants. Thus, fuck off and get drunk, and if that's not enough go piss in the pseudoscience subforum.

hahaha. bastard!

:D

04-08-04, 10:53 PM

After all, it's not many deaths; it's low exposure; it's low-risk; the odds are miniscule.

*bolded miniscule
*i plead artistic licence

here we have a perfect example of your hypocrisy and unwitting illiteracy. do you not know how to spell this correctly?

questions

*why do you insist on making mockery of society's marginalized by institutionalizing their deficiencies by this usage?
*why have you acquiesed to the evolution of a word that has its roots in illiteracy?
*why do you conspire with the other illiterates in disseminating inaccurate spellings?
*why are you accomadating and celebrating illiteracy?
*is the logic at play in the spelling of "miniscule" the logic of someone who does not know how to read, and thus is otherwise unable (or unwilling) to look things up when they're confused?
*where does this reverence for illiteracy stem from? and why?
*is "miniscule" an illiterate attempt to be fashionable at worst or stylish on your part?
*or is it just a blind, slavish and uncritical habit of conforming to anything that society throws your way?

well? answer the goddamn questions! defend yourself, oh grand censor
here, gnaw on this bone (http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/spell/mini.html)

I don't really want to get involved here, but here's an interesting piece I find on the spelling of minuscule/miniscule:

http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/spell/mini.html

Number of hits on google:

"miniscule" 226,000
"minuscule" 352,000

jamesr

the link is provided in my post. see last sentence.. i am however wondering if pronounciation changed as well. the uhh becomes a ihh. how do you say it? i was trying it out and it appears i use the former while using the variant as the spelling


*i wonder if the maggot will bite. ;)

Sorry, Hathor, I didn't notice the link in your post.

here we have a perfect example of your hypocrisy and unwitting illiteracy. do you not know how to spell this correctly?

Obviously, you don't.

Hathor, when you try to make a point, don't exaggerate yourself so far out of context. I haven't attempted to provide you a "dictionary" that claims I spelled it correctly.

So get off your pathetic tantrum and stop to think: Some of us write one-drafters. Not all of us use our redlines because our e-dictionaries suck. So every once in a while typos and bad habits push through. This is not a problem. However, when someone puts such an effort as you have into justifiying illiteracy as a social aspiration, I think it's a different situation.

Although I thank you for the kind efforts of combing back through my posts day by day until you found an example upon which you could mount this latest temper tantrum.

*why do you insist on making mockery of society's marginalized by institutionalizing their deficiencies by this usage?
*why have you acquiesed to the evolution of a word that has its roots in illiteracy?
*why do you conspire with the other illiterates in disseminating inaccurate spellings?
*why are you accomadating and celebrating illiteracy?
*is the logic at play in the spelling of "miniscule" the logic of someone who does not know how to read, and thus is otherwise unable (or unwilling) to look things up when they're confused?
*where does this reverence for illiteracy stem from? and why?
*is "miniscule" an illiterate attempt to be fashionable at worst or stylish on your part?
*or is it just a blind, slavish and uncritical habit of conforming to anything that society throws your way?

The sad thing is that you're apparently not smart enough to figure out the difference.

We all make our mistakes, Hathor. It's only people in your position, with nothing left to fall back on, who try to make a federal case in their defense. And frankly, that's what I find so disgusting. Rather than let your knowledge grow, you're throwing the mother of all hissy-fits trying to justify the idea of society's most ignorant setting the course of communication.