Its an egg I am writing to this forum again because I would like feed back on my latest thoughts. In earlier threads I promoted the God Gametes theory that argues the case for a multiverse. The God Gametes model holds that the multiverse is hierarchal; the older universes on top with the younger and less mature below. Each level of the multiverse being the reproductive system of the level above. In my earlier threads (and my book God Gametes and the Planet of the Butterfly Queen – www.godgametes.com ) I argued that planet earth was the reproductive system of a single female on that next higher level of the multiverse. And our human consciousness the male reproductive cell she hosts. At the time of writing GG I envisaged planet earth as being some form of external reproductive system that can be carried forward in time. I thought it likely that planet earth would remain part of that external life and we would reproduce many times. I assumed the reproductive system of our source life (on that next higher level of the multiverse) would be similar to the reproductive system of the females of our own species and would be capable of producing multiple offspring. The more I think about it however the more I tend to think earth is merely an egg: There is life in an egg as there is life here on earth. The life in an egg can not comprehend the meaning an purpose of its life and neither can we. An egg has an energy supply sufficient to take the embryo through to maturity. Our planet also has fossil fuels that are finite and will likely run out as we complete our maturing process. The egg is designed to be redundant once it has served its reproductive function. Our planet is likely to be incapable of supporting intelligent life once our fossil fuels run out. The embryo of the egg makes no attempt to preserve the egg beyond its temporary reproductive function. We make no serious attempt at sustaining our planet for future generations. Its an egg
I am not motivated to comment, but have posted so that I will be notified if anybody else makes some reply.
There is life inside my rectum as there is life here on Earth.Does that mean Earth is like my rectum? :bugeye: How the hell do you know that? We have other energy sources: wind, solar, atomic etc. Supporting intelligent design here? Speak for yourself. There is a lot of people conserned about Earth.
Are you so shit scared of the ID debate that you now assume that any argument that remotely resembles their case must be disregarded? Is that a logical case to put? I am only speaking for myself. The opinions I put above are only mine and if they resemble the thoughts of others then that is merely coincidence. It is true that a lot of people are concerned about Earth. It would appear however they are totally ineffectual when it comes to making a difference. You say these people are concerned about earth. But that does not address the issue. Do “you” believe they will make a difference. If you think they can then you might disagree with me. You need to tell me that you think the environment we live in is sustainable into the future and that it; “is not an egg”. It seems to me that the ones who can make a difference do not give a stuff about the future of planet earth. And it is an egg
No. I am merely questioning if humans are capable of telling the meaning of sth. I believe that they have made a difference allready. All those environmental activists and green parties have made some difference. I don´t suppose it´s enough but it´s something. That is probably true, sad but true. If voters address those problems, politicians will address them to. So far, green parties are not that popular. It´s in the power of regular voters, but they usually behave (and vote) as media tells them. Why do you think that? Like I said, we, humans, have alternative energy sources. Hydrogen seems to be the next big thing. Call me an optimist, but I think that the Earth is not as fragile as an egg. p.s. For support of your theory in general, eggshell is ment (I must assume this) to protect whats inside of it, Earth has ozone layer which protects life on Earth.
What is “sth?” I know the ID debate is allegedly being run by the religious right and that group of people revolt me as they do most thinking people. But I have looked at a lot of the information that has come out from that camp and (as long as they keep religion out of it) I agree with most of what they are saying on the evolution debate. Of course it is not enough. If you acknowledge that then you agree that intelligent life on earth can only live for a few more generations at best. Yes that is right. The future of intelligent life on earth in the hands of the powerful elite that do not give a shit, the boofheads in the greens and the fools who vote as the media tells them. No hope for planet earth is there? It is likely that earth’s environment will be so badly degraded by pollutants and over population that even a cheap and clean source of energy in the future will not save us. People who say that are bloody fools. If you were to purchase a business then would you just say “I am an optimist”. Any half intelligent person would look at the negative side. It is standard practice to look at the “worst case scenario” when looking at any business venture. However when it comes to the survival of life on earth as we know it “so called” intelligent people will stand up and tell you they are an optimist. You are as stupid as those bloody fools who vote for the ass wipe politicians promoted by the media. You think but are you sure. Stiff shit for life on planet earth if you are wrong! Read my first post again. The egg analogy has nothing to do with egg shells. The God Gametes theory argues that life on earth is the reproductive system of a higher life form. If this were so then life on earth might be designed to reproduce over and over again; as does the reproductive system of most complex species on earth. However earth might be just an egg. Something that accumulates enough energy to kick start life. But once the life it contains reaches a certain level of maturity the egg is discarded. The way I see it – planet earth is an egg
"sth" is short of "something". That doesn´t mean that we will not do more in the future. As argued in many other threads, Earth can support intelligent life for centuries, with proper planning. If, in fact intelligent life will be deceased, they were not very intelligent, wheren´t they? There is allways hope. When humans will face that kind of problem, they will (hopefuly) unite. And your predicition is based on what? No need to call names. I have my reasons to think that. No I am not sure, I can not be sure. I believe that. If I am wrong, how will I, puny little human, affect something as big and powerful as Earth? True, my bad. Are you serious? What higher life form? Gods? In that way, we will travel further to the universe, establish new bases and live! Are you suggesting that we do not want to come out, leave the egg? The conciousness is one? Do all lifeform on Earth share the same?
I agree that with proper planning humans can live on planet earth for centuries. But I see no evidence of proper planning or any suggestion that it might happen soon. I only refer to humans as intelligent life because we do have a degree of intelligence that separates us from all other species. But in the other context we are not very intelligent. What is your evidence for thinking that. There are more people on earth alive right now than have ever lived. We are degrading earth’s environment at an unprecedented rate and are doing nothing about it. But I think you already know that. If you did not know it then you should have known it. So are you pretending you did not know or that it does not matter? Are you starting to see why “it is an egg”. You can tell me those reasons. I am giving you my reasons for being totally pissed off. You (like every one else I talk to) defend the indefensible and then get indignant if I use strong language. You can start by not being an optimist and defending the indefensible. I believe that something must have created it. You can call it what you like; God – creator – higher being etc. But something must have created it. I do not suggest who or what that something is but only “what it might be doing”. Read my earlier threads or visit my web site at www.godgametes.com It is true that if we are an egg then the degrading of our planet may be in conformity with what is meant to happen. And that life on planet earth will move on to a higher level. But given that species generally produce far more eggs than can possibly survive, and that our species could only be seen as a bunch of ignorant fools, then I think it is likely we will be still born. In my book I argued that each human consciousness is a male reproductive cell of a higher life form. No. The GG theory argues that all life on earth is the reproductive system of a single female of that higher life form. Life here on earth evolved for the purpose of evolving a species (us) that is capable of hosting that male reproductive cell (our consciousness). It seems a bit crazy at first but the more you look into it the more it seems a credible theory. You only need to look at the behaviour of our own male reproductive cells and you will see a close resemblance to human behaviour.
Cities are using cityplanners(sorry, don´t know the right term), who consider threats to environment and new building are built after their advice. Isaac Asimov calculated that if citizens would live in underground caves, Earth would sustain far more people, can´t remember the exact figures thou. Multilevelel buildings are getting more and more common. Certainly we could use more but the situation is not as grim as you let it look. People have survivad wars, plaques, electricity and MacDonalds. People have been united against threats (Alliance against Hitler, war againts terror, war against poverty, shared emotions when nation wons an olympic medal...) Most those are against other humans but the one for the existance of Earth will be to. Homo Sapiens is definitely a lifeform that can unite if needed. True. So? That doesn´t mean we have reached maximum capacity. Kyoto protocol, quotas, adverdisement against consumption, "buy nothing days". Not much, but it´s a start. I saw it from the start. But I also saw some things that made me ask those thinks I have asked. Maybe it´s because everyone else don´t see this as you do? Have you ever thought that those people may be right? Or: "The man with a new idea is a Crank until the idea succeeds." - Mark Twain Only time will tell... Are you saying Earth will be saved if there where no optimists? At least it would be in better condition? Now, I must admit that I don´t have time for that right know Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I have an exam period and 20+ books in my "to be read" list. I would highly appreciate a summary. Then I suggest that all the other planets are eggs to. since they don´t seem to have any life on them, those are the rejected eggs. Earth seems to be the one with vital life, that will envolve into higher level. That seems like a presumtion based on human knowledge. Why would higer lifeform have two sexes? Well, that would certainly mean that those "lifeforms" are sth we have never seen before. It sounds more like a petri dish then somebodys reproduvtive system. Earth would be an experiment and I have heard that theory many times. See any similarities with GG theory? I certainly do. I couldn´t agree more on that one! Running around looking for a place to crash? So, my mind is actually someones sperm? I saw a picture from your website that looks like two universes making love. Quite interesting, are you saying that new universes are born that way? Then, was Big Bang really when God ejaculated? (Not mocking, just asking) http://www.godgametes.com/Page 32 - Fig 01 - Multiverse Hierarchy.html
For those who might be naive and unfamiliar with Robert & his weird theories, be advised that his ideas are more humourous than enlightening. There are funnier and more informative articles here at SciForums & elsewhere.
Robert JS: You have a sense of humor!! My opinion of you just shot up 50 points. I never would have guessed.
Just found this: Ozone layer shows signs of recovery http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0002/20060503/1307936165.htm&sc=rontz If you want, you can find sign that their is hope afterall.
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City Planners do what their employers tell them to do. The Isaac Asimovs and others who project what population earth can carry should be focusing their attention on how we can support the people now alive on earth. Until we can feed and sustain the 6 billion people we already have then there is little point in projecting how we can carry more. We needed to do it several decades ago and it has not happened yet. The Catholic Church had an opportunity to appoint a reformist Pope and look what they did. Is this an example of homo sapiens uniting to address the environmental problems our planet faces? If we are going to address poverty then why don’t we start asking a few tough questions of the Catholic Church. Like: If they want kids to be born into poverty then why don’t they feed them all? Have they noticed that the church is strongest where people are poorest. Might that be the reason why they oppose birth control? And do they really think that the priests live a celebrant life. Do they think we are stupid enough to believe that? I feel reluctant to debate this. No one knows for sure that we may not have already exceeded maximum capacity. You did not address the point I made earlier about being absolutely sure before you make a decision. Remember I said if you were buying a business then you would look at the “worst case scenario”; if you were not sure that the business could survive if the economy turned down etc. then you probably would not purchase it. But when it comes to the survival of our planet you will take a punt on some jack ass fool’s suggestion that we should all go underground an live in caves. No one agrees with me – they all think I am mad – just ask Dinosaur No. They are all bloody idiots. I do not know why I bother writing. We have not got time I am saying we should look at the “worst case scenario”. If we are not absolutely sure that the changes to the environment will not be harmful then we should not make those changes. I would have thought that is plainly bloody obvious to any person with as much intelligence as a grape. But then again I am the crank and all you eggs are probably correct. There are 100,000,000,000 stars in 100,000,000,000 galaxies. That is 10,000 million, million, million stars. If all those stars were grains of rice, and you had 1,000 50 ton trucks. And each of your 50 ton trucks carried away one load every hour, of every day, of every week, of every year, it would take over 400,000 years to carry all your rice away. So we do not really know yet what is out there. (Note: the big numbers is consistent with reproductive systems.) So it is likely there are other life forms that will survive (and live to reproduce to that next higher level) should we fail. I am not saying I know for sure my model is correct. I just presented a model that best fits what we know to be true of life here on planet earth. GG argues that we are part of an external reproductive system; not an experiment of some kind. But if you do hear of some theory with similarity to GG I would love to hear about it. It would certainly be comforting to know I am not the only lunie. Crudely put but yes. That is the GG theory in a nut shell. There are many analogies that can be drawn. That one did occur to me but it does not really fit the GG model. I have chosen not to speculate much on what that external being might be like or (if the GG theory is correct) where we came from and where we go after death. I believe we can never know and it is quite pointless to pursue such questions. I do however believe it is reasonable to ask; “What might be our meaning and purpose in life?” I also believe it is reasonable to hold that we have a creator. And if we are part of that creators reproductive system then there is a reason for our creation and a purpose for our existence. I can not see what is wrong with arguing that but it really pisses off a lot of people on this (and other) forums. But it pisses me off that earth is an egg. Is that all it is? I was hoping for better than that.
