Israel planning 73,300 new homes in West Bank

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1068033.html

And preparation has already begun to emsure a "land without a people" in the ole Zionist tradition.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1068071.html

Nothing racist about any of this of course, it all "self defense"

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I thought the name sounded familiar. Apparently there are different stories circulating about what seem to be the same houses? Some days ago:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1065674.html

This is the al Bustan neighborhood

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Hmmm, looks like Israel is trying to "wipe Palestine off the map".

 

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I was born in Michigan, does that mean I get to live there for free and build stuff without permits too?

 

Does it mean that an illegally occupying foreigner can decide if you can or cannot live there?

Based on your race?

How many homes of Jews were demolished in the last year? How many Palestinian homes?

Correct. Its like lego, break up contiguous Palestinian communities then join the dots.

 

Israel requires Liebensraum

 

Israel isn't illegal, therefore Israelis aren't illegal for living in Israel. Don't you realize there is a war going on? In a perfect world, the Palestinians could move to Israel, but since many Palestinians (impossible to say who), are guerilla fighters or sympathetic to them, it is simply impossible to let them. Of course you don't give a shit about the consequences.

 

Actually spider you could make the case that Israel is illegal.(Which I happen to believe. Stems from my belief in self-determination which the pro-Israel people like you have shown they don't really care about it.)

 

I think you'll find that by international law, including the Geneva Conventions building settlements on occupied land is illegal.

 

Believe what you like, by any standards, Israel is not an illegal state. It might do illegal things, but it's existence can only be undone from within, or by military force.

 

Then the settlements are illegal.

 

It's all a settlement if Palestinians are refugees. That's the definition of an occupation

 

Um I'm sorry but yes Israel can and is a illegal state. You cannot preempt self determination legally.

Just because it would require to be undone from with in or military force( because we know people like you are never going to admit that giving people who don't live in a territory more say in the creation of nations their than at least 70% of the resident population is amoral and illegal) doesn't mean that its creation was legal and its existence is legal.

 

That's why your radical opinion is not relevent when we talk of negotiating a peace between Israel and it's neighbors. Israel cannot occupy itself.

Many Israelis view the Palestinians as occupying Israeli land, given to them by God, and proven by historical fact. If you are an atheist, then I can understand not respecting that, but if you are from a religion that holds the Bible and Moses as sacred, then it is the epitome of hypocracy to discount it.

 

No one is preventing the Palestinians from self-determination. They are living in Palestine.

 

When religious Jews oppose the occupation as heretical, and atheists support it, it kinda weakens the argument. But if you were religious and believed in genocide and ethnic cleansing in the way of God, your position could be understood. as it is, it's puzzling why you would support for Israel what you would hopefully oppose if done to people anywhere else.

 

There is nothing about ethnic cleansing and genocide being a requirement for Israel, just the opposite, it says that people who live in peace should be welcome there. Unfortunately, there are few Palestinians who want to live in peace with Israel. There are plenty of religious Jews who do support it.

Your ethical argument is made rather irrelevent considering the tiny size of the land in question. One can hardly claim to be oppressed when all that happened is you aren't allowed to move within an area the size of New Jersey. Big deal, get on with your life.

 

Which goes to show you don't understand what self-determination is. It isbeing able to control your political future and that of your territory. That was denied to them to give a bunch of people from europe their own country nominally to make them safe (which it didn't. A fucking moron could have figured out that when you your wants require to deny other people their rights that makes you less safe. To be an Israeli and ask why can't you just be left alone is the high of arrogance and hypocrisy. No one has the right to complain about the consequences of their fuffiled wants and actions.[ and no you can't counter with the palestinians complaining about being attacked by Israel. The palestinians have a legal right to attack Israel because of Israel's denial of their right to self determination. Israel on the other hand has no right to attack the palestinians.]

which only shows that many Israelis are ignorant about their history. Which isn't surprising. A nation that's very creation was based on the denial of people's right isn't going to teach that. I mean if you did that people might want to rectify that injustice.

 

creating a jewish only Israel didn't involve ethnic cleansing or genocide? what parallel universe are you from?

 

Look around, Lebanon, Egypt, they have all had their problems, Israel is as safe as any of them, it's a dangerous region, full of pissed off religious factions that use violence naturally. Israel hasn't done anything that any other local religious faction has tried to do, except they succeeded.

Israel didn't deny any rights to anyone when it formed. If the Arabs had stayed, they would still be there. They bailed on statehood and got left out, serves them right.