1 Killed After Alleged Drunk Driver Plows Into Bike Race

From our friends at Fox News (hold your boo's until you've read the creapy article):

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Well traditionally we use pins and a bowling ball, but I actually think this could catch on.

 

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How stupid and sad.

 

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Cosmic beat you on this.

Drunk drivers horrify me. Especially the thought of them when I'm on my motorcycle or my bicycle.

 

Owned.

 

That was just wrong!

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Long Drop short rope.

Personnel responsibility, if you drink don't drive, no excuse.

 

hmmm, in MX, says he's from the US. Damn illegals!!!!

 

Well, he's a Mexican-American. I mean, you can't blame us, he's brown... and stuff.

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That seems a bit harsh.

"One does not have to tear of an arm to remove a splinter"
--Naib Stilgar

Just chop off his wiener instead! (I don't know what you'd do to a woman though)

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Yes, but did you have a sick enough mind to laugh?
Give it a few weeks though and the US may have a new sport on their hands, we know how hated cyclists are.

 

In tragic cases of involuntary and even negligent harm to others, I suspect that more than sufficient punishment is available from within the perpetrator's own conscience (but not assuredly without intervention). In the aftermath, as revengeful sentiments arise, I get to thinking about progress in dealing with such crimes. I don't believe that society benefits by ritualistically concocting further miseries as punishment or deterrent to others. Instead, I wonder if we could treat his remorse and addictions, and verifiably restrict him to operating nothing more kinetic than a bicycle.

For instance, the implanting of a device that will compel an authorized escort, if such an offender physically travels over a given minimum speed. Prudent counseling and monitoring could be more cost-effective than standard imprisonment. Swift mob justice would have been more humane than what Juan Campos' life will probably be like henceforth under our sick custom of warehousing like exploited animals all who have committed criminally-reckless actions.

 

Why do they say he fell asleep instead of passed out?

 

HOGWASH.

 

I want to say that you'd be right about that, but there are just too many cases where the perpetrator of such a crime walks away unscathed both physically and emotionally. It is precisely the role of the state to dole out justice. In some sense justice takes the odd place of individual or mob vengeance/vindictiveness. It does, indeed, send a warning to those who might do the same thing. There is a segment of society that is prevented from such actions by the presence of an impending, unavoidable justice that is both reasonable and severe in such cases. I hate to say this, Hyper, but it was precisely that fact that had prevented me from drunk driving on many occasions as a young lad. If the punishment were nothing more than some touchy-feely nonsense and the possibility of loosing my license, I might well have driven my car home. In a sense, the fear of being some big black-man's bitch scared me straight (proverbially speaking). And that's why it's there.

Maybe in a more perfect world, with slightly more perfect people, such legal recourses would fit, but there is no way it would work in today's society... or anytime soon.

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Orleander: "Why do they say he fell asleep instead of passed out?"

That would seem a different scenario, and first reports are often wrong. I once fell asleep driving an empty freeway, and mangled my car but fortunately hurt no-one. In hindsight, it wasn't smart for me to drive, being sick with the flu and overworked. Without any warning signs that I was keen to at the time, I awoke riding a guard rail at 70 mph. Now, I am very careful not to drive drowsy, but it makes me wonder where we should draw the line about criminal impairment.

 

But he was 'allegedly' drunk driving. So if you are drunk driving do you fall asleep or pass out?

 

Buffalo Roam: "HOGWASH"



superstring01: "If the punishment were nothing more than some touchy-feely nonsense and the possibility of loosing my license, I might well have driven my car home. In a sense, the fear of being some big black-man's bitch scared me straight (proverbially speaking). And that's why it's there.

Maybe in a more perfect world, with slightly more perfect people, such legal recourses would fit, but there is no way it would work in today's society... or anytime soon."

I'm only envisioning a more perfect world that I do realize is distant, and not justifying hitting cyclists through stupid decisions. We know so little about this tragedy that this is all speculation. When the consequences are graphic and shocking, I think we are often prone to rushing into mentalities of retribution that are not necessarily just.

I think that there are other ways of deterrence from vehicular recklessness, such as more vivid education in the direct consequences.


Orleander: "So if you are drunk driving do you fall asleep or pass out?"

I think "pass out" would be a more accurate description in that case.

 

superstring01: "there are just too many cases where the perpetrator of such a crime walks away unscathed both physically and emotionally."

Such cases seem highly abnormal to me. Do you really believe (if so I'm curious why) that a high proportion of people would not feel and respond to profound remorse after causing severe injury and fatality to others?

 

I didn't take it as such.

That's totally valid, thus we forfeit the mob/individual right to justice and utilize someone as impartial as possible: a judge and jury (here in the USA) and a tribunal of judges in Mexico.

I think that such education would go a long way to preventing such instances (I mean, how hard is it to get a license[-to-kill] here in the States?), but even in Europe where it's time consuming and expensive to get a license, there are still needless instances of ridiculous driver behavior. Prevention comes in many forms.

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