Younger Dryas Hypothesis - The whole picture

apollobeatz said:
Can we have a look on one more "pseudo"-science picture ?
According to the location of the ice masses during our last ice age, the old north pole could theoretically be in Greenland! But only theoretically!


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They are measured via GPS


"The GPS satellite network includes twenty-four satellites that are currently in orbit 20,000 km above the Earth as part of the NavStar system of the U.S. Department of Defense. These satellites continuously transmit radio signals back to Earth. To determine a precise position on Earth (longitude, latitude, elevation) triangulation is used. From any one position on earth one must simultaneously receive signals from at least four satellites, recording the exact time and location of each satellite when its signal was received. By repeatedly measuring distances between specific points, geologists can determine if there has been active movement between plates.

Plate motion can be measure as relative movement or absolute movement. Absolute plate movement is the motion of a plate with respect to the Earth’s deep interior (Figure 14). Relative movement refers to the movement between two plates at a given point on the plate boundary."


 
Gotta post one more picture, before DavidC4 will ban me here for ever for not talking science! Here we go...

So then we got an abrupt rise of the temperature in Greenland. None will argue that it was an abrupt thing.
So an abrupt earth's crust shift fits this one, together with all the known evidences that followed back then, 12 thousand years ago!
End if the Ice age, extinction of mammoths, permafrost in Siberia, Alaska and Canada (due to the flooding of that regions), and seals on Lake Baikal... Well, that fits it all together... Got a better explanation?

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Pinball1970 said:
They are measured via GPS


"The GPS satellite network includes twenty-four satellites that are currently in orbit 20,000 km above the Earth as part of the NavStar system of the U.S. Department of Defense. These satellites continuously transmit radio signals back to Earth. To determine a precise position on Earth (longitude, latitude, elevation) triangulation is used. From any one position on earth one must simultaneously receive signals from at least four satellites, recording the exact time and location of each satellite when its signal was received. By repeatedly measuring distances between specific points, geologists can determine if there has been active movement between plates.

Plate motion can be measure as relative movement or absolute movement. Absolute plate movement is the motion of a plate with respect to the Earth’s deep interior (Figure 14). Relative movement refers to the movement between two plates at a given point on the plate boundary."


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Ok, that one goes for you! That is a real argument that there can be some slow earth's crust shift during millions of years. OK, I agree, that is well possible. So the Wegener fun thing we can cross out of the list, if he was assuming exactly that...
 
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Pinball1970 said:
They are measured via GPS


"The GPS satellite network includes twenty-four satellites that are currently in orbit 20,000 km above the Earth as part of the NavStar system of the U.S. Department of Defense. These satellites continuously transmit radio signals back to Earth. To determine a precise position on Earth (longitude, latitude, elevation) triangulation is used. From any one position on earth one must simultaneously receive signals from at least four satellites, recording the exact time and location of each satellite when its signal was received. By repeatedly measuring distances between specific points, geologists can determine if there has been active movement between plates.

Plate motion can be measure as relative movement or absolute movement. Absolute plate movement is the motion of a plate with respect to the Earth’s deep interior (Figure 14). Relative movement refers to the movement between two plates at a given point on the plate boundary."


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But still, I do not get it... I am fair in that questions, where I don't understand something... absolute and relative plate movements, how do they rely to the movement of the earth's crust as a whole??? Because as long as there is no movement of the crust as a whole, you won't get different pole positions in time!!! That's only possible when the crust moves as a whole one unit, not just by random continental drifts!
 
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Pinball1970 said:
They are measured via GPS


"The GPS satellite network includes twenty-four satellites that are currently in orbit 20,000 km above the Earth as part of the NavStar system of the U.S. Department of Defense. These satellites continuously transmit radio signals back to Earth. To determine a precise position on Earth (longitude, latitude, elevation) triangulation is used. From any one position on earth one must simultaneously receive signals from at least four satellites, recording the exact time and location of each satellite when its signal was received. By repeatedly measuring distances between specific points, geologists can determine if there has been active movement between plates.

Plate motion can be measure as relative movement or absolute movement. Absolute plate movement is the motion of a plate with respect to the Earth’s deep interior (Figure 14). Relative movement refers to the movement between two plates at a given point on the plate boundary."


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I guess the Wegener fun thing is still intact, but you wanted to tell me something different by sharing this link!
All the modern and exact satellite measurements, right? Yea, i love that precision by satellites aswell, satellite maps an so on!
It's kinda hard to go against such precise things, so that is what you told me, that all is said by that one link, and I can forget about almost everything I told here, right?
But there is something about math that is used to calculate all these movements!
You see math is an universal thing! Math was there when we had our geo-centric model of the solar system and universe, and we all know that it worked! And it worked with the same precision as it works today! But the wrong thing was in the model used... So when you got the wrong and static model of the Earth, you got to explain this and that, and make up the subduction process for it to work! And the math can be adopted to almost any model, and it will kinda work!
 
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apollobeatz said:
But still, I do not get it... I am fair in that questions, where I don't understand something... absolute and relative plate movements, how do they rely to the movement of the earth's crust as a whole??? Because as long as there is no movement of the crust as a whole, you won't get different pole positions in time!!! That's only possible when the crust moves as a whole one unit, not just by random continental drifts!
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Just a guess but they can map the earth, like a grid then plot everything against those points.
Look at what they can do with LIDAR
 
Pinball1970 said:
Just a guess but they can map the earth, like a grid then plot everything against those points.
Look at what they can do with LIDAR
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But you ll get a mish mash of random drifting plates, continents, and let's assume together with the slow movement of the whole crust (but it can't be seen as a whole already, but let's give it a try)... In the end result you can't get different position of the poles by that mish mash...

You see, the pole positions play a role for the WHOLE globe, and are fixed to the axis of spin, and you can talk only then of a geographical pole shift when the WHOLE earth's crust moves as a unit. When one plate moves up, the other down, that will be just and only plate movement, no more
 
apollobeatz said:
I guess the Wegener fun thing is still intact, but you wanted to tell me something different by sharing this link!
All the modern and exact satellite measurements, right? Yea, i love that precision by satellites aswell, satellite maps an so on!
It's kinda hard to go against such precise things, so that is what you told me, that all is said by that one link, and I can forget about almost everything I told here, right?
But there is something about math that is used to calculate all these movements!
You see math is an universal thing! Math was there when we had our geo-centric model of the solar system and universe, and we all know that it worked! And it worked with the same precision as it works today! But the wrong thing was in the model used... So when you got the wrong and static model of the Earth, you got to explain this and that, and make up the subduction process for it to work! And the math can be adopted to almost any model, and it will kinda work!
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Some animations of the sort of stuff they can do


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apollobeatz said:
See my other arguments and facts on why I believe the official datings of the Himalayas are wrong!
See my other arguments and facts on why the abrupt earth's crust shift makes sense 12 thousand years ago!
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Why don't you just make them, here?

apollobeatz said:
Can we have a look on one more "pseudo"-science picture ?
According to the location of the ice masses during our last ice age, the old north pole could theoretically be in Greenland! But only theoretically!


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For one: no.

For two: A picture without source, description or explanation is evidence of nothing.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Why don't you just make them, here?


For one: no.

For two: A picture without source, description or explanation is evidence of nothing.
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Let's be fair, I made a whole video with a lot of arguments and facts that we can discuss, and many of them I layed down here aswell. Nobody asked me to go deeper in explanation of something here... Well some did, with the earth's crust, I went some deeper in detail and got "You're nuts" in response.
So, we are in process! Sorry that I didn't write a dissertation beside making the video, that you can read here! But that is a discussion forum, right?
 
apollobeatz said:
Nobody asked me to go deeper in explanation of something here...
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What?? Why have you come here then?? It's our job to drag your ideas out of you?

apollobeatz said:
So, we are in process!
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We're on post 94!

I have been saying since the first page: where is all this science argument you keep promising?

apollobeatz said:
Sorry
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I'll accept your apology if it's followed up by some actual arguments, backed up with science. Random pics of Earth without source or description (such as in post 80) are not much use.
 
apollobeatz said:
Why out of me... you could just watch the video that I get no money for and get em out of it! But you want some special treatment here, or not? :biggrin:
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That is not how this works. You came to a discussion form; you are expected to discuss.

You don't get special treatment. Many hopefuls like yourself come here to flog their videos without making their arguments in writing. They are sent away because this is not a video clearing house. You are at-risk of following in their footsteps.
 
DaveC426913 said:
That is not how this works. You came to a discussion form; you are expected to discuss.

You don't get special treatment. Many hopefuls like yourself come here to flog their videos without making their arguments in writing. They are sent away because this is not a video clearing house. You are at-risk of following in their footsteps.
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I surely got no special treatment here, and got a warm welcome with "You're nuts"! But you want the special treatment nobody can know in advance what you want. I posted a video, I summarised it that nobody has to watch it on the first request, and stayed for discussion, layed down many arguments and facts on the table out of it, I do respond even to other topics like GPS and LIDAR, that got not much in common with the subject. Isn't it a discussion? Something's still wrong? Or had I lay down every single argument and fact I bring in the video in the written form right in the first post? THAT is written in the forum rules? Show me where... may be I really went in the wrong place, accidently
 
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