You lost

Pinball1970 said:
I think there a few above him ;)
Click to expand...
Nonsense. Though I ought to have specified specifically kit drummers in a rock-ish context.

Funnily, I haven't plowed through the entirety of Bill Bruford's Phd thesis, Making it Work: Creative music performance and the Western kit drummer (great title that), but it seems to be mostly about slagging other English drummers. Personally, I find the greatest kit drummers to be overwhlemingly English. I've yet to work out Bruford's fundamental issue with them, but it seems more to do with stylistic choices rather than technique.

But I stand by my contention that Charles Hayward is the greatest living kit drummer within a rock-ish context--very Reichian (Steve, not Wilhelm) here:
 
Last edited:
parmalee said:
Nonsense. Though I ought to have specified specifically kit drummers in a rock-ish context.
Click to expand...
Ian Paice is best living drummer I have ever seen, certainly better than Bonham technically and a more interesting soloist.
I saw Alan White and Bill Bruford and obviously the music of yes was more complex, Paice is still number one.

Why do you think this guy is better than any kit drummer?
 
parmalee said:
Nonsense. Though I ought to have specified specifically kit drummers in a rock-ish context.

Funnily, I haven't plowed through the entirety of Bill Bruford's Phd thesis, Making it Work: Creative music performance and the Western kit drummer (great title that), but it seems to be mostly about slagging other English drummers. Personally, I find the greatest kit drummers to be overwhlemingly English. I've yet to work out Bruford's fundamental issue with them, but it seems more to do with stylistic choices rather than technique.

But I stand by my contention that Charles Hayward is the greatest living kit drummer within a rock-ish context--very Reichian (Steve, not Wilhelm) here:
Click to expand...
Not keen on Bruford. Hated the synth stuff. I like the drumming on "Songs for the Wood" Jethro Tulle, I think that's Clive Bunker. (Not checking, it's a pain opening two windows on this device)
 
Pinball1970 said:
Why do you think this guy is better than any kit drummer?
Click to expand...
Just because. Really though, I just favor more minimal styles: technically precise, but very little flair. Hayward has done some OTT stuff, with multiple shifting time signatures, polyrhythms and polymeters--like in Quiet Sun (with Phil Manzanera, et al) and he briefly played with Gong in '72 (though pre-Radio Gnome stuff, so somewhat less proggy)--but he's mostly gravitated towards more sparse economical stuff.

Overly complicated and technical drumming has never really appealed to me. Before Can, Jaki Liebzeit played mostly in free jazz ensembles and he always told this story about some Cuban drummer telling him that he needed to play "more monotonously", which is what he opted for with Can and beyond.
Pinball1970 said:
Not keen on Bruford. Hated the synth stuff. I like the drumming on "Songs for the Wood" Jethro Tulle, I think that's Clive Bunker. (Not checking, it's a pain opening two windows on this device)
Click to expand...
Bruford is an acquired taste, I think. I've always loved his tunings--especially the snares. Though Alan White was probably a better fit for Yes. Bruford is fantastic in King Crimson--both 72-74 and 82-84--and on the early (1976) National Health stuff, but sometimes he sounds as though he's playing in between styles and uncertain as to where to lean. Like when he sat in with Genesis before Chester Thompson--the second half of "Cinema Show" is great, but a lot of it sounds inappropriate or something. I think he picked up a lot of stuff from Jamie Muir and was still working through it for a couple of years. Muir was coming from more of a free jazz background, and wasn't really even much of a kit drummer, and it just seemed that Bruford was trying to force that into contexts where it didn't belong.


Edit: I think Clive Bunker was earlier--til 73 or 74 maybe? He also played in Blodwyn Pig and with Steve Hillage for a while. I always get him mixed up with another drummer named Clive who played in Egg and the Groundhogs.
 
exchemist said:
Why not do that if you really want a separate thread? The object here is to make the thread about something worth discussing, hence the stuff about Camberwell and my musical interventions. But as it's all music, why not leave it here?
Click to expand...
Fair enough. Talking about drums is far more interesting than the pointless OP.
 
Drums are kinda cool, in a History and Psychology sort of way. Drummers aren't that interesting.

You folks still lost.

The smell of Napalm in the Morning.
 
Mr. G said:
You folks still lost.

The smell of Napalm in the Morning.
Click to expand...
Lt Kilgore says that line because he's pretty ambivalent about the meaning of victory. Or the destruction it requires.

Perhaps you are too, and your choice of movie quote let that slip out.
 
TheVat: Lt Kilgore says that line because he's pretty ambivalent about the meaning of victory. Or the destruction it requires.

Son, you're misreading the Col. and us MAGA folks.

You're toast. Deed done. No argument can save you. History has a certain sense.

"...your choice of movie quote let that slip out."

It wasn't slipped.

It didn't need to be.

We're glad your grasp on reality is not what you advertise.

Look around. Things are happening, by people who don't think like you do, over whom you have no control.

Y'all ain't in charge anymore. Buckle up, or not.
 
Mr. G said:
TheVat: Lt Kilgore says that line because he's pretty ambivalent about the meaning of victory. Or the destruction it requires.

Son, you're misreading the Col. and us MAGA folks.

You're toast. Deed done. No argument can save you. History has a certain sense.

"...your choice of movie quote let that slip out."

It wasn't slipped.

It didn't need to be.

We're glad your grasp on reality is not what you advertise.

Look around. Things are happening, by people who don't think like you do, over whom you have no control.

Y'all ain't in charge anymore. Buckle up, or not.
Click to expand...
1739118419418.png
 
Mr. G said:
Son, you're misreading the Col. and us MAGA folks.

Look around. Things are happening, by people who don't think like you do, over whom you have no control.
Click to expand...
Mr. G is MAGA?? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Hot damn, that is the funniest thing I heard today. Were you always that way or became that way from living in Floriduh too long? Or, maybe your neighbors would have you hog tied and hanging from a tree if you admitted to being a Democrat. Or, has dementia finally taken it's toll? Whatever the reason, I find it hard to believe. You're probably just trolling.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Some tributes. Deep Purple and I deputise in Sabbath, Ozzy and Rainbow tributes
Click to expand...
Blimey, Deep Purple! Do you need ear defenders? I think it was probably Deep Purple Douglas Adams had in mind with Disaster Area, whose “public address system contravened local strategic arms limitation treaties”.
 
exchemist said:
Blimey, Deep Purple! Do you need ear defenders? I think it was probably Deep Purple Douglas Adams had in mind with Disaster Area, whose “public address system contravened local strategic arms limitation treaties”.
Click to expand...
'Twas Pink Floyd he had in mind, apparently, and the song "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun". He was a big fan. :)
 
Sarkus said:
'Twas Pink Floyd he had in mind, apparently, and the song "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun". He was a big fan. :)
Click to expand...
Didn't realise Floyd were that loud. Do you know who was Hotblack Desiato was modelled on? I know his name is actually taken from an Islington estate agent: https://hotblackdesiato.co.uk/. (I once saw the name on a For Sale sign outside a house and nearly fell over.)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top