I agree Cyclops is a bit of a wuss but you know something else this by the way is very minor Magneto's costume could be so much better he looks like a cross between Dracula and one of those Admirals from Star Wars. Magneto's dress compared to Professor X's is no contest you have to give it to Professor X I'm quite sure he read a copy of GQ or two. Maybe it's just the style of the helmet it just doesn't translate well for me. It's nothing just something minor.
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Hey, I just saw the movie tonight, and walked 6 damn miles to see it because my car is broken, haha (I needed the exercise, and had the day off, heh, there are worse days to spend a free day).
Anyway, what about the movies homosexual undertones?! Half of the film is clearly trying to use mutants as a metaphor for homosexuals, and they didn't try to hide this one bit!
They even had that "Coming out" scene where Iceman tells his parents that he's gay, er sorry, I mean he tells them that he's a mutant. The scene verged very much on being corny, but was kind of saved by wolverine's disgust with the situation and kind of going off to do his own thing, heh. I mean come on, his mother even asked him "Have you tried NOT being a mutant" this question (only with "a mutant" replaced by "gay") is on like every parent of a gay child's standard check list of questions to ask while in the initial shock after their child outs themself.
Aside from that scene there was one other which struck me as being particularly powerful, and still addressing the topic of homosexuality.
Night crawler asks Mystique about her powers, and realizing that she can mimic anyone perfectly, he asks her why she doesn't just stay in disguise all the time, too look like a normal person so she doesn't have to deal with people. Now, being a seasoned comic book veteran I expected the corny explanation of, "It's like flexing a muscle, I can't hold it forever" or something like that, but her answer, instead, was "We shouldn't have to"! "WE" I loved that, I may have been reading too much into it, or dwelling too long on a subject that the movie had already been done with, but frankly that idea is completely applicable to homosexuals. That statement IS gay pride, pure and simple.
Before you dismiss any of this as BS, just go see the movie for yourself, or see it again and look for this stuff, and keep in mind that a number of the actors, and even the director is gay, and then ask yourself again if it's just a coincidence, or if I'm just reading too much into it.
Ummm yeah, anyway aside from that I was also pretty happy to see colossus in there, making a cameo, but was also disappointed to hear him talking with an American accent! he should be all Russian and stuff, come on people!
Anyway, what about the movies homosexual undertones?! Half of the film is clearly trying to use mutants as a metaphor for homosexuals, and they didn't try to hide this one bit!
They even had that "Coming out" scene where Iceman tells his parents that he's gay, er sorry, I mean he tells them that he's a mutant. The scene verged very much on being corny, but was kind of saved by wolverine's disgust with the situation and kind of going off to do his own thing, heh. I mean come on, his mother even asked him "Have you tried NOT being a mutant" this question (only with "a mutant" replaced by "gay") is on like every parent of a gay child's standard check list of questions to ask while in the initial shock after their child outs themself.
Aside from that scene there was one other which struck me as being particularly powerful, and still addressing the topic of homosexuality.
Night crawler asks Mystique about her powers, and realizing that she can mimic anyone perfectly, he asks her why she doesn't just stay in disguise all the time, too look like a normal person so she doesn't have to deal with people. Now, being a seasoned comic book veteran I expected the corny explanation of, "It's like flexing a muscle, I can't hold it forever" or something like that, but her answer, instead, was "We shouldn't have to"! "WE" I loved that, I may have been reading too much into it, or dwelling too long on a subject that the movie had already been done with, but frankly that idea is completely applicable to homosexuals. That statement IS gay pride, pure and simple.
Before you dismiss any of this as BS, just go see the movie for yourself, or see it again and look for this stuff, and keep in mind that a number of the actors, and even the director is gay, and then ask yourself again if it's just a coincidence, or if I'm just reading too much into it.
Ummm yeah, anyway aside from that I was also pretty happy to see colossus in there, making a cameo, but was also disappointed to hear him talking with an American accent! he should be all Russian and stuff, come on people!
Hmm, Mystech.. I'm surprised you noticed this, and not how Stryker in that case represents the christian fanatics with his "Mutations (homosexuality) is a disease, which can be cured"...
Message in a comic-book adapted action film
Wow, when'd ya get a car? Last I knew, you were pretty much limited to how far your hindpaws would take you. ROADTRIP WITH THE MOUSE!!!!
Btw, if you want someone to walk with when you do the walking thing, lemme know. I enjoy walking when I have a chance to do so, and having a cute mouse to walk with would be cool.
I'm not sure if homosexual [over|under]tone was their intention, but thinking back on the film, I can see what you are referring to and it does give this cat pause to wonder. I hadn't noticed it when watching it (more focussed on the fun eye-candy of special fx and NightCrawler, Mystique [Ooo... would she shift into a cute male furry, you think?] I find it interesting how some films that aren't likely to have intellectual content or a message actually do. Like Matrix, for example. For a few months after seeing that movie I noticed there were a lot of different meanings one can glean from that film. Everything from an alternate look at reality (something I've oft-wondered is am I real? Is others? Perhaps I am the delusion of some madman (mad-bobcat?) in an asylum maybe on another plane of existence? Zen seems to feature heavily in that film too as does the idea of what are we really and what can we do? There were other ideas too but this is what I can remember right now. I wonder sometimes if it's an attempt by a director to get the average joe who would see the film to think.. even if planting the seed urging people to think on a subconcious level. Sort of, again, like Matrix in freeing people's minds from their prison. And now, with X2, we have a message of tolerance and acceptance. The mutants battle for equality is our own.
Indeed, I was very happy to see Wolverine's reaction to that situation. I wasn't sure how much compassion he was capable of showing, but I have more respect for the guy now. And, if you'll permit me a little more drooling... Iceman was cute
Aye, at first I wondered if Nightcrawler was supposed to be 'evil' and was glad to see that he is not. He seems to want tolerance as well which I'm glad of. You had mentioned this part last nite when we chatted (the part about "we shouldn't have to" as stated by Mystique) and thinking about it it does surprise me to hear it. It's probably my own ignorance about comic books and their characters (I've only ever been lightly into 'em.. due mostly, I think, to having had medical reasons preventing me) but a lot of them seemed mainly about the usual, almost cliche (if not completely so already) battle between good and evil. This guy beats up this guy who seeks revenge because his antithesis beat up his mom while beating up the dog, etc etc etc. I mean no offense to those of you who enjoy comicbooks and their characters/heroes. As I said, I'm probably speaking from ignorance most likely. I enjoyed X2 very much.. mainly for the eyecandy and it was rather fun anyways to watch Wolverine seek out and try to learn his past.. something I've been in the process of doing myself. Mystech mentions the messages he has found in the movie and I realize that there is more to this than I had thought. It's amazing where you can find messages and lessons.
Well, I don't think I knew the director is gay and about the only actor I know of in there that is is Ian McKlellan. Who else is there inthe movie who is?
Xao Silverclaws
Wow, when'd ya get a car? Last I knew, you were pretty much limited to how far your hindpaws would take you. ROADTRIP WITH THE MOUSE!!!!
Btw, if you want someone to walk with when you do the walking thing, lemme know. I enjoy walking when I have a chance to do so, and having a cute mouse to walk with would be cool. I'm not sure if homosexual [over|under]tone was their intention, but thinking back on the film, I can see what you are referring to and it does give this cat pause to wonder. I hadn't noticed it when watching it (more focussed on the fun eye-candy of special fx and NightCrawler, Mystique [Ooo... would she shift into a cute male furry, you think?] I find it interesting how some films that aren't likely to have intellectual content or a message actually do. Like Matrix, for example. For a few months after seeing that movie I noticed there were a lot of different meanings one can glean from that film. Everything from an alternate look at reality (something I've oft-wondered is am I real? Is others? Perhaps I am the delusion of some madman (mad-bobcat?) in an asylum maybe on another plane of existence? Zen seems to feature heavily in that film too as does the idea of what are we really and what can we do? There were other ideas too but this is what I can remember right now. I wonder sometimes if it's an attempt by a director to get the average joe who would see the film to think.. even if planting the seed urging people to think on a subconcious level. Sort of, again, like Matrix in freeing people's minds from their prison. And now, with X2, we have a message of tolerance and acceptance. The mutants battle for equality is our own.
Indeed, I was very happy to see Wolverine's reaction to that situation. I wasn't sure how much compassion he was capable of showing, but I have more respect for the guy now. And, if you'll permit me a little more drooling... Iceman was cute
Aye, at first I wondered if Nightcrawler was supposed to be 'evil' and was glad to see that he is not. He seems to want tolerance as well which I'm glad of. You had mentioned this part last nite when we chatted (the part about "we shouldn't have to" as stated by Mystique) and thinking about it it does surprise me to hear it. It's probably my own ignorance about comic books and their characters (I've only ever been lightly into 'em.. due mostly, I think, to having had medical reasons preventing me) but a lot of them seemed mainly about the usual, almost cliche (if not completely so already) battle between good and evil. This guy beats up this guy who seeks revenge because his antithesis beat up his mom while beating up the dog, etc etc etc. I mean no offense to those of you who enjoy comicbooks and their characters/heroes. As I said, I'm probably speaking from ignorance most likely. I enjoyed X2 very much.. mainly for the eyecandy and it was rather fun anyways to watch Wolverine seek out and try to learn his past.. something I've been in the process of doing myself. Mystech mentions the messages he has found in the movie and I realize that there is more to this than I had thought. It's amazing where you can find messages and lessons.
Well, I don't think I knew the director is gay and about the only actor I know of in there that is is Ian McKlellan. Who else is there inthe movie who is?
Xao Silverclaws
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/05/06/2056082
This is an interesting take on the movie(which I haven't seen yet)
This is an interesting take on the movie(which I haven't seen yet)
I just saw X2 last night...alone...like a loser...but thats aside the point.
I was so happy to see Night Crawler, he's been my favorite for as long as I can remember, and i'm glad they kept the religious side of him. Only thing i didn't like was that first scene, when you found out he wasn't the one controlling himself. That made me sad. what better way to say "give us our rights!" then to scare the piss out of the president using a knife with a ribbon attached that said "Mutant Freedom Now!". C'mon. i liked it better when i thought that was Kurt's idea.
As for the gay undertones, i think it applies more to anyone thats ever felt alienated, with mutant being a euphemism for any sort of minority or oppressed group.
I was so happy to see Night Crawler, he's been my favorite for as long as I can remember, and i'm glad they kept the religious side of him. Only thing i didn't like was that first scene, when you found out he wasn't the one controlling himself. That made me sad. what better way to say "give us our rights!" then to scare the piss out of the president using a knife with a ribbon attached that said "Mutant Freedom Now!". C'mon. i liked it better when i thought that was Kurt's idea.
As for the gay undertones, i think it applies more to anyone thats ever felt alienated, with mutant being a euphemism for any sort of minority or oppressed group.
Well, yes most of it is aplicable to any opresed minority group, though there are many spacific instanses and themes stolen directly from real life, and the situation with homosexuals. Striker for instance with his view of mutants as being a disease that needed to be cured. . . beleive it or not some people really have to put up with that!
Anyway, about that first scene, I didn't want to give it away for anyone who hasn't seen the movie, but now that you've bought it up I think I can ad a little more.
That first scene has inspired me, if Head Justice of the Supreme Court, Rhenquist (sp?), of the Supreme Court, comes out and rules unfavoreably on Lawrence V. Texas, I think I may just be there in the crowd with a knife and little ribon of my own, hehe. Origionaly the plan was just to get an M82 and liquify his head after he speaks, but I think I like the idea of stabbing him better.
Anyway, about that first scene, I didn't want to give it away for anyone who hasn't seen the movie, but now that you've bought it up I think I can ad a little more.
That first scene has inspired me, if Head Justice of the Supreme Court, Rhenquist (sp?), of the Supreme Court, comes out and rules unfavoreably on Lawrence V. Texas, I think I may just be there in the crowd with a knife and little ribon of my own, hehe. Origionaly the plan was just to get an M82 and liquify his head after he speaks, but I think I like the idea of stabbing him better.