World At War - Battlefront Ukraine: "Convoluted Pipeline Blues"

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Looks like Team Ukraine is carrying on their campaign against Crazy Ivan's energy infrastructure. Remains to be seen whether this effort will make the Russian military "run outta gas", so to speak...

Ukraine spies destroy pipeline carrying 82 million tons of oil in huge blow to Putin
Three key oil and gas pipelines in Russia ceased operations following several explosions on September 8, according to a Ukrainian military intelligence source.

The Kyiv Independent reported that the main oil pipeline in Penza, which holds a capacity of two million barrels a day, and a regional gas pipeline were taken out of service. However, it's unclear what caused the explosions.


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At least four explosions were heard around 4:00 am in the Zheleznodorozhny city district of Penza, the source told the outlet.

According to the source, the damaged pipeline was used to "supply military facilities involved in the full-scale war against Ukraine."

Another major pipeline, this time in Saratov Oblast, was destroyed, the source said. The Kuibyshev-Lysychansk, which gave fuel to the Russian army, was destroyed. The pipeline had an annual capacity of 82 million tons.
 
It creates Political-economic problems for Putin. Does it affect the probability of someone trying to take him out?
Does it increase unrest among the Russian people?

I figure instability works in favor of Ukraine.
 
To quote an old tune:
That stone just keeps on rollin'
Bringing me some real bad news...

Moment another Russian oil refinery goes up in flames as growing crisis rocks Putin

Ukrainian drones struck the Gazprom Neftekhim Salavat petrochemical plant in Russia's Bashkortostan as a video circulating on Telegram shows a huge smoke plume rising over the area.

In addition, Ukrainian Special Operations Forces also struck an oil refinery in Russia's Volgograd Oblast overnight. Both attacks occurred on Sept. 18 and are part of a pattern. Ukraine has been issuing a series of drone attacks on Russia's weapons, fuel, and chemical factories to cripple supply lines.

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Gazprom Neftekhim Salavat is one of Russia's largest oil refining and petrochemical plants, according to the Kyiv Independent. It is located some 1,300 kilometers (800 miles) from the front line in Ukraine.

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The Volgograd refinery, about 450 kilometers (roughly 300 miles) from the front, plays a key role in supplying fuel to the Russian military, and is the largest producer of petroleum products in Russia's Southern Federal District, the Special Operations Forces said. The plant accounts for 5.6% of the country's total refining capacity.
 
I think that Russia will finally use its power to turn down Ukraine once for all.

Up to today, from Russia's side, the war has been taking lands the more intact as possible, looking for future exploitation in Russian hands. This is why everyday Russia is taking land a few kilometers per day.

A completely different scenario was the invasion to Iraq, where the coalition didn't care at all in destroying fertile lands, sources of water, killing civilians by thousands every day. Online were lots of videos of coalition troops shooting animals and people just "because". The goal was turning down the Iraqi army and capture Saddam.

The Russian plan is to recover former lands and let Russians to live over there.

Many believe that Russia has no power to overcome easy Ukraine, but it appears that such is false. If Russia was to invade and destroy Ukraine like crazy, this war should have been over weeks after invasion. No doubt about it.

And today, Russia even has invented bombs that are close to be powerful as nuclear but that don't leave radioactivity as side effect. At one point these bombs will be used in this war, in a way to leave Ukraine without army and military bases.

Of course, this war is affecting Russia's economy, it should be abnormal if Russia is not affected by it. However, it is expected a reaction of Russia if at one moment feels that will fall because the war. Hope that moment not to happen, and just in case I have reinforced the legs of my dining table to hide under it when the destruction caused by Russian weapons arrive here. Russia won't surrender; its survival depends on winning.

Ukraine is right with it claims the invasion is stealing lands formally recognized by the rest of the world, Ukrainians are brave and smart people, unfortunately their leader is an ass. Millions plus of Ukraine troops deaths just because opium dreams of the West insisting and persisting that conquering Russia was a piece of cake.

In boxing, usually both fighters manage to hit hard the opponent. Such is what we watch from both sides today. However, the way the fight is going, Ukraine won't have any chance to win unless a miracle happens. I don't know how religious Ukrainians are and if God will listen their prayers.
 
Many believe that Russia has no power to overcome easy Ukraine, but it appears that such is false. If Russia was to invade and destroy Ukraine like crazy, this war should have been over weeks after invasion. No doubt about it.
Funny, that's what Putin said in late February 2022.
 
The sky is red, I don't understand
Past midnight I still see the land
People are sayin' the woman is damned
She makes you burn with a wave of her hand...

Long-range Ukrainian drones strike oil refinery deep inside Russia

Sept. 24 (UPI) -- Ukrainian drones flew almost 1,000 miles into Russian territory to hit one of the country's largest oil refineries on Wednesday, the second time the facility has been attacked in the past week.

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Footage circulating online showed large columns of thick, black smoke billowing from the site, with the BBC saying it had used satellite mapping and reverse image searches to verify that the images in the two separate videos were genuine.

Radiy Khabirov, Bashkortostan regional governor, confirmed on social media that Ukrainian drones had struck the Gazprom Neftekhim refinery.

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Wednesday's attack came six days after two Ukrainian drones struck the same facility, causing a huge blast.
 
Up to today, from Russia's side, the war has been taking lands the more intact as possible, looking for future exploitation in Russian hands. This is why everyday Russia is taking land a few kilometers per day.
Looks from the vids & pix that are being broadcast that Crazy Ivan's blasting the living bejeezus out of whatever the "target of the day" happens to be, rather than taking care to preserve... ...well, anything. Their snail's pace advance seems to stem from the fact that they're being mowed down in droves for piddling gains.
I mean - a million casualties in 3 years ?

Many believe that Russia has no power to overcome easy Ukraine, but it appears that such is false. If Russia was to invade and destroy Ukraine like crazy, this war should have been over weeks after invasion. No doubt about it.
They might have the strength to grind away at Ukraine until the Ukrainians are forced to submit to whatever terms they dictate, but their Blitzkrieg failed spectacularly. Recall that column of vehicles that sat on the side of the road for what - weeks - all because their equipment was a bunch of ill-maintained junk. Or their crack mercenary unit that revolted because they were being fed into a meat grinder. Or their imported North Koreans, which had to take the field because the Russians couldn't scrape up enough convicts & other assorted miscreants to fill out the ranks.
They imported artillery ammunition because they couldn't produce enough.
They imported drones because they couldn't build enough.

And today, Russia even has invented bombs that are close to be powerful as nuclear but that don't leave radioactivity as side effect. At one point these bombs will be used in this war, in a way to leave Ukraine without army and military bases.
They've already used them. Not against Ukrainian military bases, but cities & towns. The 6600 lb. FAB-3000, for example.
Hell's Bells - they've already used a MIRV equipped ballistic missile as well as their hypersonic "wonder weapon", Iskanders, cruise missiles, and whatever the Devil else they can scrape up. Only two more ways to turn it up a notch - nerve gas and nukes.

Of course, this war is affecting Russia's economy, it should be abnormal if Russia is not affected by it. However, it is expected a reaction of Russia if at one moment feels that will fall because the war. Hope that moment not to happen, and just in case I have reinforced the legs of my dining table to hide under it when the destruction caused by Russian weapons arrive here. Russia won't surrender; its survival depends on winning.
It seems like everybody & their brother is keen on reporting that the Russian economy is crumbling. Is it ?
There they are, still pounding away - supposedly closer every day to collapse.
Let's hope to Christ on the Cross that Putin's not quite crazy enough to use that Red Pill.

Ukraine is right with it claims the invasion is stealing lands formally recognized by the rest of the world, Ukrainians are brave and smart people, unfortunately their leader is an ass. Millions plus of Ukraine troops deaths just because opium dreams of the West insisting and persisting that conquering Russia was a piece of cake.
Zelensky...
He's probably no more corrupt than any politician anywhere in the "free world".
IMHO, he's an ass for invading Russia. I'd have used those troops like the nazis used their SS Panzer "fire brigades": Send them into crisis points where the Russians were threatening to break through or were advancing to counter said advances.

In boxing, usually both fighters manage to hit hard the opponent. Such is what we watch from both sides today. However, the way the fight is going, Ukraine won't have any chance to win unless a miracle happens. I don't know how religious Ukrainians are and if God will listen their prayers.
The grim calculus of the situation may indeed prove you right. There are simply more Russians that Ukrainians. Ukrainian units are supposedly almost all understrength at this point. President tRump recently declared that Ukraine should be able to retake all of its occupied territory, but he's waffled back and forth so many times who knows how to regard this statement. Europe's vow to do whatever it takes to help Ukraine win is coming up against the reality of their own economic problems. It's a Hell of a situation.

Maybe Putin will do us all a favor and drop dead...
 
President tRump recently declared that Ukraine should be able to retake all of its occupied territory, but he's waffled back and forth so many times who knows how to regard this statement. Europe's vow to do whatever it takes to help Ukraine win is coming up against the reality of their own economic problems. It's a Hell of a situation.

Maybe Putin will do us all a favor and drop dead...
I'm with you in most of your post. This war is not making winners but losers by lots. The foresaw future is Russia with oil to be sold only to its neighbors and its neighbors also producing goods that no one will buy because their relations with Russia.

To me was a surprise seeing Zelensky visiting President Trump and having President Trump announcing Ukraine as having chances to recover the lost lands and even turning the war in its favor.

I don't know if the words of President Trump really mean literally what he pronounced or, if he gave a warning to Russia of the attempt of Ukraine to attack the Russian ships on the Black Sea the very next day. Because such is what happened the day after. Ukraine sent drones, even small boats carrying to flag of Ukraine, and a fight that took hours happened in Crimea. Apparently, the task was to hurt Russian ships and also reach Crimea and plant the Ukraine flag on it, as a way to give hope and solidifying the words pronounced by President Trump.

The words of President Trump were so new and different that they sounded weird yesterday. The plot failed. All the troops from the boats died, and no big damage or none on ships, radars, etc. If successful, then such attack could have brought more courage to hold Russia.
 
I'm with you in most of your post. This war is not making winners but losers by lots. The foresaw future is Russia with oil to be sold only to its neighbors and its neighbors also producing goods that no one will buy because their relations with Russia.

To me was a surprise seeing Zelensky visiting President Trump and having President Trump announcing Ukraine as having chances to recover the lost lands and even turning the war in its favor.

I don't know if the words of President Trump really mean literally what he pronounced or, if he gave a warning to Russia of the attempt of Ukraine to attack the Russian ships on the Black Sea the very next day. Because such is what happened the day after. Ukraine sent drones, even small boats carrying to flag of Ukraine, and a fight that took hours happened in Crimea. Apparently, the task was to hurt Russian ships and also reach Crimea and plant the Ukraine flag on it, as a way to give hope and solidifying the words pronounced by President Trump.

The words of President Trump were so new and different that they sounded weird yesterday. The plot failed. All the troops from the boats died, and no big damage or none on ships, radars, etc. If successful, then such attack could have brought more courage to hold Russia.
It seems almost impossible to judge what tRump's position is going to be from one day to the next.
Not too long ago, he's berating Zelensky and stating that Ukraine will have to give up territory for the sake of peace, and ranting on about how much Putin suffered because of the "Russiagate" business concerning US election interference. Then all of a sudden everything Putin said was "bullshit". Then he's getting all chummy with Putin at the Alaska summit. Now he's saying he'll sell Europe all the weapons they can buy to provide for Ukraine's defense, and that stuff about Ukraine being able to win back all the Russian occupied territory.
It's enough to make your head spin.

Even if this latest Ukrainian operation failed, I wouldn't count against them coming up with some other innovative surprises for the Russians.
 
It seems almost impossible to judge what tRump's position is going to be from one day to the next.
Not too long ago, he's berating Zelensky and stating that Ukraine will have to give up territory for the sake of peace, and ranting on about how much Putin suffered because of the "Russiagate" business concerning US election interference. Then all of a sudden everything Putin said was "bullshit". Then he's getting all chummy with Putin at the Alaska summit. Now he's saying he'll sell Europe all the weapons they can buy to provide for Ukraine's defense, and that stuff about Ukraine being able to win back all the Russian occupied territory.
It's enough to make your head spin.

Even if this latest Ukrainian operation failed, I wouldn't count against them coming up with some other innovative surprises for the Russians.
While Russians are taking more land every day, sometimes I see it as a musical group heard on radio everyday with the same hit level dominating the audiences. On the other hand, Ukrainians sound like a musical group that suddenly appeared with a hit that surprises everybody with its good melody, but later the same old same old first musical group dominates the hit level again.

No doubt that sometimes when Ukrainians hit, they do it hard, and coming from them it really calls the attention.

President Trump behavior goes in agreement with his attempt to turn down China and Russia. From the very beginning he has been working indirectly in attacking them. He stated from the very beginning to turn down the oil from Russia and to quit the dependency on Chinese products. So far, the task will require lots of sacrifices, but if it is made wisely, his attempts might start to show advances not to far from today. Problem is that regular people is the targeted one to pay the price of the changes, because President Trump's attempts are focused to make American Private Sector Great Again. His buddies.

Nothing wrong with that, unless you are just a regular dude, not a rich one. Well, nothing is perfect in this world.

Then, his position will change in accord to the development of the war. One thing is sure, President Trump is not in Russia's side, however it will negotiate with Russia if the war ends favoring the Russians. It wouldn't be a good idea to keep distance from "the other side" if the other side becomes more powerful than before after the war is over.

By now, President Trump is doing what is best to take advantage of the war, a luxury that presidents of other countries lack.

To me, we are just in a moment when if not winning is foreseen for Ukraine, then the motto will be to damage the most it can be the energetic structure of Russia. Russia knows about it and it might start preventive attacks to diminish the damage against them. So far, in England, a building with hundreds of drones destined for Ukraine has been destroyed, some say is Russian sabotage. I think so as well.

This is turning more uglier each day.
 
Kosovo was given independence with the backing of the west (KFOR). Otherwise Serbian forces would have won.
But you don't see the difference between Russia invading a sovereign nation and taking part of its territory and a nation that wanted independence achieving it with help? There's no independent nation resulting from Putin's war on Ukraine -quite the opposite. Putin isn't "liberating" Donbas, he intends subjugation as part of his empire dreams, and the end of democracy there as it joins his dictatorship.

I doubt the 97% of the Kosovar population which is not Serbian wants to go back to being a province of Serbia. Freedom, democracy, women's rights - these have all advanced considerably since Kosovan independence.
 
But you don't see the difference between Russia invading a sovereign nation and taking part of its territory and a nation that wanted independence achieving it with help? There's no independent nation resulting from Putin's war on Ukraine -quite the opposite. Putin isn't "liberating" Donbas, he intends subjugation as part of his empire dreams, and the end of democracy there as it joins his dictatorship.

I doubt the 97% of the Kosovar population which is not Serbian wants to go back to being a province of Serbia. Freedom, democracy, women's rights - these have all advanced considerably since Kosovan independence.
The Russian speakers wanted autonomy, if not outright separation.
 
Evidence, please. All reports I've seen show a majority of Donbas and Zaporizhzhia favored Ukrainian independence and did not want to be part of Russia, or separate. Here are some stats:

In 1991 there was a referendum in Ukraine about independence. Both Donbas regions voted YES[2][3] with a majority of votes (more than 83%).

In 2001 there was a census of Ukrainian population and 57% of Donetsk and 58% of Luhansk regions identified as Ukrainians [4].

In 2014 there was a sociological research [5] on whether they wanted to join Russia, similar research was repeated in 2021 [6]. Both researches show that majority of Donbas population did not want to join Russia. In Donetsk percentages of those who wanted to join Russia were 28% in 2014 and 10% in 2021. Same numbers for Luhansk were 30%/12%.




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But you don't see the difference between Russia invading a sovereign nation and taking part of its territory and a nation that wanted independence achieving it with help? There's no independent nation resulting from Putin's war on Ukraine -quite the opposite. Putin isn't "liberating" Donbas, he intends subjugation as part of his empire dreams, and the end of democracy there as it joins his dictatorship.

I doubt the 97% of the Kosovar population which is not Serbian wants to go back to being a province of Serbia. Freedom, democracy, women's rights - these have all advanced considerably since Kosovan independence.
By your reasoning the Confederacy was on the right moral side. Also, by the morality of the DoI.
 
By your reasoning the Confederacy was on the right moral side. Also, by the morality of the DoI.
Not remotely. You are arguing in bad faith now, taking cheap shots rather than providing evidence for your assertion or acknowledging evidence I provided. We're done.
 
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