Surveys are a dime a dozen and you certainly have a pocket full of dimes.....
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/austral...ly-to-find-wolf-whistling-unacceptable-survey
Australian women are less likely than others in other countries to consider social requests for sex unacceptable, according to a Perth universities survey.[4 days ago]
Okay.
Now I want you to consider the fact that
Australian women still consider it to be harassment.
The survey of 1426 Australians, commissioned by The Australia Institute, revealed:
- 87% of Australian women have experienced at least one form of verbal or physical street harassment.
- Among those 56% were alone the last time it happened;
- 52% reported harassment was by a man, 23% by a group of men, 4% by women.
- 83% of those age 18-24 experienced street harassment in the last 12 months
- 40% of Australian women do not feel safe when walking alone at night in the area where they currently live, compared to 17% of men
- 87% of Australian women have changed their behaviour in at least one way to ensure their own personal safety in the last 12 months
Are these numbers acceptable to you?
I've explained to you many times, and I have plenty of support of both sexes agreeing with me.
Okay? And?
This makes you 'right'?
Donald Trump, the self avowed pussy grabber, also had a lot of 'support of both sexes agreeing with' him, does that make him correct or right? Does that make grabbing a woman "by the pussy" without her consent not count as sexual assault?
From where I am sitting, you're kind of arguing this on your own. What little support you did have has pretty much shut up now. Which begs the question, what are you doing here, exactly? Offering support to Kitta, as you insinuated earlier? He's probably off enjoying time with his wife and given that his baby was due around this time, hopefully enjoying fatherhood or supporting his wife as childbirth fast approaches if she hasn't given birth yet. Have you ever thought to ask him about his views of street harassment of women? How about iceaura? Who has already told you that it is sexual harassment. Capracus? The dude thinks women should sleep with their phone in hand and hire body guards if they can afford it, not to mention getting a vicious guard dog (while hoping the kids don't get mauled) to prevent being raped in our own homes. Thumbs up there for support. Who else? An elderly magistrate who sounds like she's part of the old guard of blaming women for their own sexual assaults and calling child sex abuse victims liars, because they happen to be friends with the abuser.. Who else?
It is minor and harmless and your rhetoric claiming otherwise is just that.
Having experienced it from a very young age, while still in my school uniform and once even with my father standing right next to me when a mechanic he had taken his car to for a service, congratulated him for having a hot wife and licked his lips while looking at me standing next to him and my father riled up and said 'what the fuck is wrong with you, that's my daughter' and I had to drag my father out of there while the other men in the intervened.. I was 16 years of age and in my high school uniform..
I can assure you, it is not minor or harmless. It is often terrifying, especially when they leave what they are doing and try to block your path to get a reaction, or follow you down the street because you haven't responded in a way they expect you to or you have ignored them for weeks on end as they do it to you when you walk past. By this point, you will start wearing running shoes to work with your suit, because at least if you need to run, your heels won't hamper you. If you are lucky, they
only start calling you a slut, whore, cunt, bitch and tell you to suck their cock by screaming it as you dash past with your head down or facing directly ahead and not making eye contact. If you are unlucky, they stop what they are doing and wait for you to walk past and try to block your path to speak to you, by getting right in your face, they touch your body, sometimes walk right up behind you and grind their penis into your backside as you walk, where you have to push them off, or they try to kiss you and then tell you that you are ugly when you shove them away and look for an escape route.. On a busy street, at a major intersection in the middle of the city in peak hour. This is what happens.. When they follow you as their friends cheer them on, you don't go straight to work, because you don't want them to know where you work, you dash down different streets, keeping an eye out for any police officer on patrol that you can casually walk up to talk to them, and hopefully scare that guy off. You might even ask a guy who is walking in the same direction as you, to just walk next to you and pretend to speak to you because some of the creeps from the building site are following you and then hope like hell that you haven't just accosted an even bigger creep.
When this starts to happen, usually after several weeks of 'wolf whistling' and cat calling, what you deem to be harmless fun, and it often escalates to this because you haven't responded in a particular way depending on the guys on the building site, you change your route to get to and from work. When those guys figure that out, they then keep an even bigger eye out for you, sometimes walking down to where the train or bus station is, to keep an eye out for you, just so you know they are there. Or you end up having the exact same thing start to happen but with a different building site, and the whole cycle begins again.
That is what we endure. Daily. I endured this every day,
for years. And it's still ongoing. Even my mother experienced this when she was in her 70's for goodness sakes! She refused to travel to the city by herself again after it happened to her.
You might consider this to be minor and harmless and fun. It is not. It does affect how we live our lives.
I don't accept the results of your survey. See first reply.
Selective. And you keep whining about lack of the scientific discussions, when you simply ignore anything and everything that is proven scientifically (there are countless of studies about the effects of street sexual harassment out there) because you think men should still have the right to sexually harass women on the street because you think it is harmless and fun.
For you to accept the results of the various surveys and studies posted about this, would mean you having to admit that you are wrong, that women have fundamental human rights and the right to not be sexually harassed on the street and that it would be for men to not do this to women. Your head is stuck too far up your backside to recognise that women are sexually harassed daily, because you demand that men have the right to behave this way towards women for what you deem to be harmless and fun. Despite all evidence to the contrary.
You really believe that some bloke on a building site during the working week, in the middle of the city, crowded with shoppers and those going or coming from work, would go further then a harmless wolf whistle?
I don't believe or think it. I know it.
Why do you think 87% of Australian women alter their behaviour to try to avoid it? We change how we dress, we start wearing clothes and shoes we can run in, we start mapping out the street and know where the closest police station or hub is just in case, we start carrying our keys splayed in our fingers, we start changing what route we take to get to and from work, we start organising not walking in the city alone and we start waiting for work colleagues to walk to work as a group (safety in numbers). We start looking at changing our work hours, to make sure we don't have to walk past if they are on a break or milling outside by the gate of the construction site, we don't tie our hair up in a ponytail and we are hesitant to leave it down if it's long, because they touch it and stroke it as we walk past, so we start to pin our hair up, or braid it and tuck it up so it can't be grabbed (I ended up cutting my hair much shorter because of it).
SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN??
A questionable survey is not scientifically proven. And I have given one that supports the opposite outcome.
A very limited survey. Other survey's and studies conducted in Australia show how a greater majority of women still consider it to be sexual harassment.
