Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 17, 2007.
Do drugs give you a feeling of enlightenment?
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Well, are you talking about drugs, or just pot? Drugs could mean anything. I know plenty of pot smokers that don't do any other drugs.
I enjoy a toke here and there but I could give a rat's ass about any religion. I get more of a feeling of relaxation (i.e. my intention) than enlightenment.
Well, I mean mostly pot. But, I could see use of other drugs to create the impression of a mystical euphoria.
You do remember that the SW Native American tribes used peyote to help them have visions in the spirit world, don't you?
"DID YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THAT CHICKEN???"
Right, peyote. That's my point. Is it religion or is it peyote?
Thinking gives you enlightenment as long as you understand what your thinking aboout clearly.Drugs only cloud your thought process.
Tell that to the SW Native Americans. Maybe that's why they lost their lands?
You know, that was so stupid it moves you into the racist category.
I'm racist because the Indians were stupid enough to lose their lands? Come on. They were dumb, and even they would admit that.
Both are explorations of consciousness.
Well, thanks for confirming that you are racist.
1) they did not lose their lands because a very small number of them took peyote. Read any, any book on the subject. Hell, even the books that think the Natives had primitive, evil cultures. They lost land because of the diseases Europeans brought over, because of evil ideas Europeans came with and because the Europeans had guns and technology the Natives did not.
2) They aren't nor were they dumb.
Oops, I was so high I lost my lands.
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what about the rastafarians?
Ha! I wasn't seriously suggesting Indians lost their lands due to peyote use. That was a joke. But, the Indians were still stupid for losing their lands. That's not a joke.
Well, where does rastafarianism come from?
And you are a racist. Also not a joke.
I'm not a racist. That's absurd. The Indians were stupid for losing their lands. That's just common sense. Oh, you can't offend the Indians now by pointing out how stupid they were to lose their lands - let's enforce this by calling people racists! Well, you're racist for calling me racists - you racist!
No, they weren't stupid.
And in fact many of the SW tribes still have land.
What land they lost they lost because Europeans killed them, took them away from their lands, transmitted diseases to them (for the most part unintentionally), did not maintain treaties, and because the Europeans had superior weapons. Unless you are gunsmith, you are really on weak footing calling the Natives stupid. Your insistance that they were less intelligent actually raises questions about your intelligence.
I'm guessing you were just being pouty at the end there, but I cannot be a racist in relation to you. I do not know your race. I think you as an individual are racist and deeply ignorant of history. Deep ignorance, if kept quiet, is a kind of racism in potential. Making insulting generalizations about racial groups of people that have no basis in fact is racist. I can see this is hard for you to face. Let me soften it. You made racist statements and then went on to defend them. In your heart you really don't want to be racist and you will probably go out and get some books on American History and find out how deeply ignorant you are.
When you say Eastern religions, do you mean Hindu and Buddist? Is it in their philosophy to do drugs?
Indians not stupid? Why was their military in the stone age? Why would you trust the Europeans?
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