Who's going to be my Friend?

Lucysnow said:
"You were the one criticizing the Christian concept of love. It is to this criticism that I have responded to."

And the reason for the criticism stands

No, it stands not.

I said: "This, and the commandments given by the Christian religion can be meaningfully followed only if one has faith. Faith is not your doing anyway."

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
Oh stop it! This isn't the religious dogma forum and the title of the thread is 'who's going to be my friend?'

Take your bible thumping elsewhere I am outside of your christian matrix

...should I tell you what you can do with your bible verses?

:eek:
 
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Lucy,

I'm not a Christian.
You are fighting a strawwoman.
I gave an example of a definition of love, and you treated it as a bone, as if you were an angry dog ...
 
Angry dog? Oh dear dear me. If one doesn't agree with your bible definition of love then they are an 'angry dog'? Or "just pissed off" as you accused Cotton of being? :bugeye:

Try this? Why not just ask him why he thinks the christian definition a fantasy? But no you behave as if you have the all seeing eye, so you can tell who are angry dogs, who's pissed off and who needs love etc. We are dealing with experience here and opinion. No one is an authority on love...no no not even if it comes out of Corinthians.

"I'm not a Christian."

So why use the bible as reference? Why use its words and not your own unless you regard the bible an authority on the matter? And what's with the advocacy of this line if you are NOT a christian: "the commandments given by the Christian religion can be meaningfully followed only if one has faith. Faith is not your doing anyway." And this one "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." What are you kindly drumming up business for the church as a hobby?


What's funny is that Satyr began this thread without any hostility and all you did was treat it with hostility (you could have at least ignored it) and yet you think you are in a position to speak to him of love, friendship, relationships.

...I have an idea why don't you give YOUR definition of love as experienced in real time!
 
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Lucy!


Angry dog?

Didn't you see yourself?


Try this? Why not just ask him why he thinks the christian definition a fantasy?

I've spoken to him a lot.


But no you behave as if you have the all seeing eye, so you can tell who are ...

Poor Lucy. How quickly you think others assume omniscience ...


No one is an authority on love...

and authority. When they don't.


"I'm not a Christian."

So why use the bible as reference?

I gave a traditional example. I couldn't remember examples from other texts.


Why use its words and not your own unless you regard the bible an authority on the matter?

It puts best what I think.
One needn't be a Christian to agree with and to quote the Bible.


What's funny is that Satyr began this thread without any hostility

Yeah.


and yet you think you are in a position to speak to him of love, friendship, relationships.

This is what YOU think that I think. It is not what I think.
I only gave my opinion -- but you refuse to take it as such.


...I have an idea why don't you give YOUR definition of love as experienced in real time!

Pooky, I have that idea too!


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And what's with the advocacy of this line if you are NOT a christian: "the commandments given by the Christian religion can be meaningfully followed only if one has faith. Faith is not your doing anyway." What are you kindly drumming up business for the church as a hobby?

I'm not. If I see something misrepresented, and I think I can correct that, then I tend to do so. In this case, I thought it pertinent, esp. because of Cottontop, with whom I had many discussions on the topic.
 
Pooky? What are we in fifth grade?

It wasn't your opinion it was an opinion taken from the bible. If you had that idea then why don't you just post it instead of all your bible references.

You have spoken to Satyr a lot? So have I but we obviously have different opinions about him.

This isn't what I think you think I am reading your posts with all its pissed off angry dogs with no faith, radiohead lyrics and general condescension. What didn't you SEE yourself?

Now for a prayer:

Please god
rid this earth of the self-righteous!!
 
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Lucysnow said:
Pooky? What are we in fifth grade?

Sorry. I was carried away by your name. I love the name "Lucy".


It wasn't your opinion it was an opinion taken from the bible. If you had that idea then why don't you just post it instead of all your bible references.

?
I think you just find it offensive that the Bible is referenced. While you don't find it offensive if Nietzsche or the Matrix etc. are referenced.


This isn't what I think you think I am reading your posts with all its pissed off angry dogs with no faith, radiohead lyrics and general condescension. What didn't you SEE yourself?

Khm. Memories, memories ...
This is in the "About the members" section -- and I take it is to be taken personally.
It's not like the love just flows ...
 
water said:
And you are just pissed off.

I think Porfiry's signature says it best:

"If you're not pissed off at the world, then you're just not paying attention."

Paying attention Water? :bugeye:
 
whoo wil lbe my friend? (firend) lol
i need a firned 0.o
i owuld liek mroe then 1 friend though
 
Cottontop3000
I will be, if you want me as a friend.
Welcome ….friend.

I am Satyr, once known as Wanderer, back when I took this place seriously.

I’ve posted a lot here - most of it wasted effort – but now I see that human nature is what it is.
No changing it, no shaming it into consciousness, no thinking there could be more, no more dreaming….. in a life so short, so fragile.

This….is…..it.

In the end one must adapt to the world he finds, instead of fighting for the world he thinks he wants and believes will be better. Utopias are best left for the daydreamer to wallow away his time and exercise his imagination.
And who’s to say if what is wanted is needed or if imagination will ever reach reality.

This…is the human race:
Stupid, ignorant, infectious, relentless, inventive, persistent, delusional, pretentious, cruel, loving, selfish pretending selflessness, interesting and mundane in its repetitiveness, fragile and imaginative.

Could we break the mould?
Hardly, we can only describe what we see in an attempt to understand it.

Should we break the mould?
Now that!!!!..... is up for debate. It is the central thesis of all ideals, the focal point for all ideologies, the driving force behind every belief and faith.

It is the absurdity of it all that is the most fascinating and entertaining, the utter futility of it, from a purely individualistic perspective of course, because no transcending ‘truths’ can be uttered without the smell of ….bullshit in the air.

We can only present our opinions based on our preferences, built on our experiences and psychological leanings and governed by an underlying despair at the thought of our inevitable demise.
And all of it…all of it, is the human mind reaching for a way out; a backdoor to redemption, a reason for suffering.

You see, I’ve discovered a little secret about how to deal with all the lies and pretences, with all the human frailties and games.
It’s called laughter, that twin brother of tragedy, lurking behind every life, behind every gesture and utterance.

Some would call my perspective a capitulation, a sign of fatigue and the end result of aging and an attempt to excuse ones self from ones own inferiority or character.

Such words can only be uttered by the young and delusional. Those still trembling with untapped resources and unblemished illusions, those still dreaming about making a difference and finding a way.
Finally they will know as well or they will be swept away on the wings of fantasy and cultural ‘truth’.


It is truly fatigue, my newfound friend, which speaks through my bones; a fatigue of a solitary man fighting against eternity, against the unknown, against futility and suddenly discovering his limitations. A sensation no man, who has ever thought, can ever avoid or deny; an inevitability sheer Will can only oppose, for a while, and in the nothingness find reasons to persist.
The young and the ignorant still dream about changing the world and standing up to reality and solving the puzzles. They have yet to feel times wrath and the war of attrition; they have yet to reach their wits ends or feel the body’s feebleness.
So, they can afford to play God and speak the grand words and defend the masks that make mankind tolerable. They can wear the masks and wardrobe of their selected icons and dance about blaming everyone else, but themselves, of pretentiousness and posturing and weakness.

Other will describe it as pessimism and a prejudiced disparity based on personal circumstances and failures.

Such words can only be uttered by those that never see or have never tasted defeat or fear or insecurity. Their bravery is nestled in between social privilege and cultural advantage.

Who but a man who has known poverty could be weary of squandering moneys?
Who but one who has felt the whip can cringe at the sound of its strike?

The bravery of the risk taker with mommy and daddy waiting to cushion the fall is one well known to me.
The exuberance of the infant subconsciously knowing he will be lifted up on comforting hand if he or she should ever fall is a characteristic of our time.

You can’t imagine how many times I’ve listened to toddlers speak about love, when they have never learned or haven’t been allowed to hate first.
How many times have I not listened to infants speak of pretentiousness when their entire culture is built on pretentiousness and the act of civility, the staging of civilization, is what is called being sociable or ambitious.
 
Satyr,

I find all of your writing to be very well done. And assuming this last isn't plagarized, nicely done also.

Are you only 39?

"...an inevitability sheer Will can only oppose, for a while, and in the nothingness find reasons to persist."

Yes. I already know this.

And fuck you for even temporarily dispelling the thin fog of denial between me and this dark truth.

Just kidding. All is roses.
 
superluminal
Satyr,

I find all of your writing to be very well done. And assuming this last isn't plagarized, nicely done also.
“Plagiarized”?!

I’m insulted and flattered all at once.

Oh, I think the ones that know me know me to be just the way I am.

Are you only 39?

“Only”?!

Why that’s ancient when one considers the average age on this Forum and how many like to play upon age to make themselves feel better.
 
Satyr said:
In the end one must adapt to the world he finds, instead of fighting for the world he thinks he wants and believes will be better. Utopias are best left for the daydreamer to wallow away his time and exercise his imagination.
And who’s to say if what is wanted is needed or if imagination will ever reach reality.
One should never change themselves to suit the needs of others. And one should never adapt to the point of losing their own identity just so they can 'fit in' or fit into the mould (whatever that may be). There is no mould. We are all individual human beings, with individual dreams, desires, loves, hates, personalities, delusions, allusions, wants and needs.

The fight for one's utopia should never cease and the day you give up fighting for what you think is better is the day you sell your soul (for lack of a better term).
 
One should never change themselves to suit the needs of others. And one should never adapt to the point of losing their own identity just so they can 'fit in' or fit into the mould (whatever that may be). There is no mould. We are all individual human beings, with individual dreams, desires, loves, hates, personalities, delusions, allusions, wants and needs.
But we are social animals, and will never be happy without other people. We must adapt to what other people want in order to make them happy so that they will make us happy.
 
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