Who Here Is A Socialist?

Are You A Socialist And Would You Like To Join?

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Omega133 said:
You don't HAVE to listen. But it's the only system we use, so either use it, or don't. It's as simple as that. Unfortunately for you, there is no other choice.

Note: This is not meant to sound rude. Just straight-forward.
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that means we are forced to use it.
 
Omega133 said:
Give an example of when Capitalists actually forced someone to abide by it.
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What do capitalists say about Coal Mine owners whom also owned the land, owned the stores, and basically owned there workers because everything was company property? The fact that they also hired criminals to physically stop the creation of worker's unions? This happened in America "the birth place of capitalism."
 
Ja'far at-Tahir said:
What do capitalists say about Coal Mine owners whom also owned the land, owned the stores, and basically owned there workers because everything was company property? The fact that they also hired criminals to physically stop the creation of worker's unions? This happened in America "the birth place of capitalism."
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Source please.
 
Omega133 said:
Source please.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin-Felts_Detective_Agency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan

"The most common complaint of the miners, however, concerned their pay, and the total control which the companies had over their financial well-being. Most mining towns were "company towns." The coal company owned the land. They built, rented, or sold the houses to their workers. If the miners quit work or went on strike, the company could evict them from their homes. They often forced workers to buy at "company stores," where credit might be more readily available, but prices were higher. Companies sometimes paid in "scrip," which was taken in trade only at the company store. At times, men who refused to buy from the company store were dismissed. Miners were usually paid monthly in the early days, with the company holding two weeks' back pay. Thus, miners who quit often lost two weeks' pay. Miners also had the expense of getting their tools sharpened, and they had to buy oil for their lamps which provided the only light underground."

http://www.kentlaw.edu/ilhs/earlyday.htm

Theres some.
 
Ja'far at-Tahir said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin-Felts_Detective_Agency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan

"The most common complaint of the miners, however, concerned their pay, and the total control which the companies had over their financial well-being. Most mining towns were "company towns." The coal company owned the land. They built, rented, or sold the houses to their workers. If the miners quit work or went on strike, the company could evict them from their homes. They often forced workers to buy at "company stores," where credit might be more readily available, but prices were higher. Companies sometimes paid in "scrip," which was taken in trade only at the company store. At times, men who refused to buy from the company store were dismissed. Miners were usually paid monthly in the early days, with the company holding two weeks' back pay. Thus, miners who quit often lost two weeks' pay. Miners also had the expense of getting their tools sharpened, and they had to buy oil for their lamps which provided the only light underground."

http://www.kentlaw.edu/ilhs/earlyday.htm

Theres some.
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Touche.

But I have to point out, that all economic/political systems can be corrupted. The examples you've shown are indeed evidence of times when Capitalism was corrupted by power-hungry men. But may I say that Socialism was also corrupted by power-hungry men in 1922. The year Stalin came to power in Russia and formed the USSR.
 
Omega133 said:
But I have to point out, that all economic/political systems can be corrupted. The examples you've shown are indeed evidence of times when Capitalism was corrupted by power-hungry men. But may I say that Socialism was also corrupted by power-hungry men in 1922. The year Stalin came to power in Russia and formed the USSR.
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I can agree to this, even though I also don't really agree with Lenin either.
 
Omega133 said:
Touche.

But I have to point out, that all economic/political systems can be corrupted. The examples you've shown are indeed evidence of times when Capitalism was corrupted by power-hungry men. But may I say that Socialism was also corrupted by power-hungry men in 1922. The year Stalin came to power in Russia and formed the USSR.
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I think the example beat theory.(For a theorem to be invalid enough, one counterexample)
I have lived in socialism and I know.
Also great majority of socialist states dropped to socialism.
So, for problems of capitalism, socialism is not viable solution.
We remain to try to correct and not to replace capitalism with socialism.
 
Emil said:
I think the example beat theory.(For a theorem to be invalid enough, one counterexample)
I have lived in socialism and I know.
Also great majority of socialist states dropped to socialism.
So, for problems of capitalism, socialism is not viable solution.
We remain to try to correct and not to replace capitalism with socialism.
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Regardless of position (whether your Socialist or Capitalist) this sort of argumentation is silly.
 
We all live , to a degree, under socialism rules. In America there's Social Security, Welfare, Medicade and many other governmental agencies that help the social well being of the people living within its borders as well as other areas outside her borders.
 
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