What's wrong with women?

On what planet??? During the era you're describing, the way American men treated their wives wasn't much different from the old German slogan, Kinder, kirche, kuchen: "Children, church, kitchen."

"Housewives" were "free" to do whatever they wanted in the home, including tending the garden and playing bridge with their friends, but as far as doing something outside the home, that had better be restricted to shopping, the book club, taking the children to the doctor, or another woman's home for the bridge game. In any case, housework took up most of their time unless their husband made enough money to hire a helper, so there wasn't much opportunity to leave home for anything except more chores.

I remember that era, the late 1940s and most of the 1950s. My mother lived that life, and because she didn't make friends easily (born in the Bohemian ghetto in Chicago and had a thick accent for many years) she didn't even have the bridge club. When she finally got a job working outside the home, so they'd have enough money to send me to college, it was still a little bit scandalous even in 1958.No matter how old a man is, deep down inside he acts like a little boy. No matter how young a girl is, deep down inside she acts like a mother.Where do you live, the Ozarks??? It's often the women who decide to escape, now that they can get (sort of) real jobs and have a decent income.

As for "chain gang labor," I can tell that you're much younger and have no idea what life was like 50-60 years ago. There was a lot more work for everybody, but especially the wife. No dishwasher, a wringer washing machine, no clothes dryer, no microwave oven, no coffeemaker, no blender, cleaning products that required intense scrubbing, clothes that had to be ironed, and a vacuum cleaner that looked like a battleship and was almost as heavy and hard to maneuver as one. "Housekeeping" actually was a full-time job in those days.

Men often worked harder at their jobs than we do, because many of them required a lot more physical labor. But when the whistle blew they went off to the bar with their buddies, and came home when the "little woman" had the house clean, the kids bathed and dinner on the table.

In a way I'm proud that you live in an era when you can't imagine how hard life was for my mother or your great-grandmother, because it means that your wife has freedom they never dreamed of. But on the other hand it would be nice if you understood what a battle it was for women to achieve the kind of freedom your wife has, which BTW is nowhere near parity with men.

:worship:

A man will work from sun to sun.
but a women's work is never done.

It takes two to tango.....;)
 
Maybe that's why they get paid less. ;)

A sadly verifiable statistic which undoubtedly contributes to chronic fatigue syndrome in the female and in men getting less sex as a result.

You're doing it wrong! :bugeye:

It's not flowers that we want or chocolates that we need......some help with the domestic work, volunteered, means far more to most women.

Especially if you can do it correctly.....:p
 
A sadly verifiable statistic which undoubtedly contributes to chronic fatigue syndrome in the female and in men getting less sex as a result.

You're doing it wrong! :bugeye:

It's not flowers that we want or chocolates that we need......some help with the domestic work, volunteered, means far more to most women.

Especially if you can do it correctly.....:p
Given the choice between sex and housework, I'm always very clear on what I'd prefer to be done.


Me.
 
Given the choice between sex and housework, I'm always very clear on what I'd prefer to be done.


Me.

LOL......

We were discussing the preferences of the female. Kidnapping her agenda is compromising, not to be confused with a workable compromise.

Your solution would leave the female with less time and energy to attend some of the domestic matters that need reasonably be attended in the interests of personal health and comfort of both parties.
 
LOL......

We were discussing the preferences of the female. Kidnapping her agenda is compromising, not to be confused with a workable compromise.
Does the female have a preference for housework over sex? That would be a mighty unusual female!

Your solution would leave the female with less time and energy to attend some of the domestic matters that need reasonably be attended in the interests of personal health and comfort of both parties.
Ah dust and dirt only comes back anyways, cleaning need not be as frequent as some obsessives think. Little bit of dirt never did me any harm.

And having more time for *ahem* marital relations creates a far more happy household, and it makes logical sense not to clean each room until we're finished in there....

TMI?
 
Does the female have a preference for housework over sex? That would be a mighty unusual female!

Domestic matters are considerably more than cleaning the floor and dusting, both areas in which I am considerably relaxed, lol....

Proper nutrition involves some forethought to menu planning, grocery shopping, cooking and clean-up. This activity alone can be very demanding in a household with others to attend and can become quite frenzied with the annual holiday and visiting agenda pending.

The beauty of working graveyards is that I can dodge that bullet. Can't attend because I am working. No need to cook and bake for functions that none in this household is attending.


Ah dust and dirt only comes back anyways, cleaning need not be as frequent as some obsessives think. Little bit of dirt never did me any harm.

Not obsessive about dust but I do like clean clothes and home cooked meals etc.

And having more time for *ahem* marital relations creates a far more happy household, and it makes logical sense not to clean each room until we're finished in there....

One of those are you.....furniture sex? Must be watching too many episodes of 'Desperate Housewives' or some other soap. :p


Pfft!
 
One great thing about these women is they take themselves out of the dating pool(we hope). There are enough crazy ones.
 
Originally posted by nietzschefan
One great thing about these women is they take themselves out of the dating pool(we hope). There are enough crazy ones.

'The dating pool......'

It that what they mean by 'Plenty Of Fish?'

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Domestic matters are considerably more than cleaning the floor and dusting, both areas in which I am considerably relaxed, lol....

Proper nutrition involves some forethought to menu planning, grocery shopping, cooking and clean-up. This activity alone can be very demanding in a household with others to attend and can become quite frenzied with the annual holiday and visiting agenda pending.

The beauty of working graveyards is that I can dodge that bullet. Can't attend because I am working. No need to cook and bake for functions that none in this household is attending.




Not obsessive about dust but I do like clean clothes and home cooked meals etc.



One of those are you.....furniture sex? Must be watching too many episodes of 'Desperate Housewives' or some other soap. :p



Pfft!

Pfft! yourself, that is a complete and utter cope out. I'm the one home in our relationship more often so I'm the one who does the shopping and the cooking and a) PB STILL whinges about cleaning constantly to the point I think she is OCD some of the time and b) umm we STILL don't spend enough time in bed.

oh and BTW chronic fatigue syndrome isn't about being tired, its a medical condition believed to be caused by a previous episode of Glandular Fever which damages the brain so that its almost impossible to do anything without taking stimulants
 
I think many women are drawn to a male that is a celebrity of any kind. Millionaire, rock star, serial killer, whatever. So long as he's a celebrity, it gets their juices flowing.
 
I think many women are drawn to a male that is a celebrity of any kind. Millionaire, rock star, serial killer, whatever. So long as he's a celebrity, it gets their juices flowing.
You think that might have something to do with an income disparity that has not disappeared? Marrying a celebrity is almost certain to raise a woman's standard of living. If she can get a good prenup it might even bring her (and any children they have) at least modest economic security for the rest of her life.

As for serial killers, well most of them are men. When we start having a larger population of female serial killers in our prisons, then we can check to see if there's a line of men who want to court them too.
 
FR that's bunkum. Your argument would assume that the average income is millions anyway, its not. Here its around 35-40,000 or even less. Basically your arguing that all women are just prostitutes selling there body to the highest bidder which is crap
 
Pfft! yourself, that is a complete and utter cope out. I'm the one home in our relationship more often so I'm the one who does the shopping and the cooking and a) PB STILL whinges about cleaning constantly to the point I think she is OCD some of the time and b) umm we STILL don't spend enough time in bed.

oh and BTW chronic fatigue syndrome isn't about being tired, its a medical condition believed to be caused by a previous episode of Glandular Fever which damages the brain so that its almost impossible to do anything without taking stimulants

Hello Asguard,

I wonder why you would choose to reply to my reply to Anti-Flag?

My Pfft was in response to his query of TMI.

I was not talking about chronic fatigue syndrome.

Women do seem to hold domestic matters as a higher priority than many, if not most, men, and men do seem to share the common lament that there is insufficient time spent between the sheets, lol....

How fortunate I am to have a partner who well understands me. A Stats Canada representative came by today in the hopes of doing a survey that requires 2 hours. Hubby was willing to do it, yet the woman wanted to interview me.

I politely advised her that "It's not going to happen. This is my day off and the first day in weeks warm enough to work the horses, two of which are saddled and ready."

Hubby had likewise told her the same. She can return on a day when the temperatures are not fit for such outdoor activities. (An appointment would be an intelligent option for her to utilize.)

Now Hubby is taking me for dinner at the closest restaurant (7 miles) which just happens to serve the best Chinese food in the Yukon. Oh yes, and last night he did the dishes and this morning he cooked us a marvelous breakfast. :D

As for why some women are attracted to males with unsavory backgrounds, I haven't a clue. I will leave that for yourself and others to ponder.
 
You think that might have something to do with an income disparity that has not disappeared? Marrying a celebrity is almost certain to raise a woman's standard of living. If she can get a good prenup it might even bring her (and any children they have) at least modest economic security for the rest of her life.

As for serial killers, well most of them are men. When we start having a larger population of female serial killers in our prisons, then we can check to see if there's a line of men who want to court them too.
I think it's much more primal than that. I think women are attracted to alpha males in the same way men are attracted to women with above average physical attributes. Anything that distinguishes a man from the herd, that makes him stand out or be seen as dominant in some way will raise his stock among the fairer sex.
 
I think it's much more primal than that. I think women are attracted to alpha males in the same way men are attracted to women with above average physical attributes. Anything that distinguishes a man from the herd, that makes him stand out or be seen as dominant in some way will raise his stock among the fairer sex.

There may be considerable accuracy in your remarks above, madanthonywayne.

A serial killer just does not fit my own concept of an 'alpha male'.

The 'fairer sex'. It has been a while since I have encountered the use of that phrase to describe women. Quaint. :)
 
Pfft, but is he as cute as me? ;)

Suffice it to say that he is a most attractive and charming man and has the demonstrated ability to tolerate my willfulness and idiosyncrasies.

'Cute' is a rather unusual adjective, in that it has several different meanings. Which one(s) do you suggest applies to yourself? :)

1. Clever; sharp; shrewd; ingenious; cunning

2. Pleasantly attractive, in a delicate way; -- said of
children, young ladies, pet animals and some objects, but
seldom of adults; as, a cute child; a cute kitten; a cute
little house; a cute statue

3. smart-alecky or impertinent; as, a cute remark

4. affectedly clever

Far be it from me to compare the charms of gentlemen who care to grace me with their company. You are all delightful in your own way. :D
 
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