What's important

Wizard of Whatever said:
What's important in life?

Good family
Good friends
Good neighbors
Good acquaintances
Enough resources
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Хорошая семья, хорошие друзья, хорошие соседи, хорошие знакомые, хороший стабильный доход... маленькое буржуазное счастье... хоббиты... спокойное, размеренное мещанство... вы же правда этого хотели?
 
TheVat said:
Why is bourgeois happiness important? Maybe I'm not sure what is meant by that.
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Это был сарказм, Теват. Просто это то счастье, к которому почти все стремятся. И наверное, в нём есть своя прелесть. Просто, такие дураки как я, начинают со временем от этого тосковать. Сами не знают чего хотят.
 
Olga said:
Хорошая семья, хорошие друзья, хорошие соседи, хорошие знакомые, хороший стабильный доход... маленькое буржуазное счастье... хоббиты... спокойное, размеренное мещанство... вы же правда этого хотели?
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No, what I wanted was Goodness, Freedom, and Power. This is what I got.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
No, what I wanted was Goodness, Freedom, and Power. This is what I got.
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Добро? Это то, что помогает нам выживать? Эволюция заставила нас хотеть выживать. Свобода? Вы несвободны от самого себя. Власть? Для чего она вам? Чтобы командовать другими, или чтобы другие не командовали вами?
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
What's important in life?
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It's important that a "give me that good old time gospel" savior like Mamdani never actually succeeds. It is continually raising the bar for what qualifies as socioeconomic oppression, so that the revolution never dies, and the utopia of radical equality always looms just out of reach on the horizon as a dangling carrot, that is a kind of purpose and feeling of bliss in itself. The very status struggle and its perpetually receding target is uplifting. Verily... praise be to the intelligentsia fathers and mothers (guiding parental-hood) of yore.

Sorry. Olga's mention of "bourgeois" just kind of triggered a nostalgic epiphany. ;)
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Good? Is that what helps us survive? Evolution made us want to survive. Freedom? You are not free from yourself. Power? What do you need it for? To command others, or to prevent others from commanding you?

Good is what makes you want to live. I don't want to be free from MYSELF.
I want to be free from those who would restrict my freedom. Power to defend myself and others who would impinge on us in ways we do not desire.
 
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Wizard of Whatever said:
Good? Is that what helps us survive? Evolution made us want to survive. Freedom? You are not free from yourself. Power? What do you need it for? To command others, or to prevent others from commanding you?

Good is what makes you want to live. I don't want to be free from MYSELF.
I want to be free from those who would restrict my freedom. Power to defend myself and others who would impinge on us in ways we do not desire.
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Вашу свободу всегда будет кто то ограничивать. Ваши близкие в первую очередь. Даже ваша собака, и она будет ограничивать: вам захотелось поехать отдохнуть с друзьями, а она внезапно заболела. И вместо отдыха и приятного времяпрепровождения вы поедете в ветеринарную клинику. То же самое и со всеми, кого вы любите - вы всегда будете от них зависимы.

Сила, чтобы защитить? Это конечно достойное желание. Но в наше время уже редко медведь напададает на вашу пещеру. И опасности для близких чаще всего оказываются в другом. Например, наркотики, или алкоголизм. Я часто вижу вокруг себя вполне приличные семьи, где родители дали детям всё в материальном плане, но те погибают от наркотиков, или алкоголя. Вы не защитите их от самих себя, это нарушило бы их свободу.
 
Olga said:
Вашу свободу всегда будет кто то ограничивать. Ваши близкие в первую очередь. Даже ваша собака, и она будет ограничивать: вам захотелось поехать отдохнуть с друзьями, а она внезапно заболела. И вместо отдыха и приятного времяпрепровождения вы поедете в ветеринарную клинику. То же самое и со всеми, кого вы любите - вы всегда будете от них зависимы.
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Not if I have enough Goodness and Power.
Olga said:
Сила, чтобы защитить? Это конечно достойное желание. Но в наше время уже редко медведь напададает на вашу пещеру. И опасности для близких чаще всего оказываются в другом. Например, наркотики, или алкоголизм. Я часто вижу вокруг себя вполне приличные семьи, где родители дали детям всё в материальном плане, но те погибают от наркотиков, или алкоголя. Вы не защитите их от самих себя, это нарушило бы их свободу.
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Power contains also abilities and controls. And I don't want to restrict others. Intelligent use of alcohol and drugs can be taught and learned. Self-defense can be taught and learned. With enough real Power you can do almost anything.
 
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It's important that a "give me that good old time gospel" savior like Mamdani never actually succeeds. It is continually raising the bar for what qualifies as socioeconomic oppression, so that the revolution never dies, and the utopia of radical equality always looms just out of reach on the horizon as a dangling carrot, that is a kind of purpose and feeling of bliss in itself. The very status struggle and its perpetually receding target is uplifting. Verily... praise be to the intelligentsia fathers and mothers (guiding parental-hood) of yore.

Sorry. Olga's mention of "bourgeois" just kind of triggered a nostalgic epiphany. ;)
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Should the revolution ever die? Should that radical want for equality ever cease to loom? Lack of ambition never paid the bills, nor did lacking equal status ever prevent efforts to be.
 
ThazzarBaal said:
Should the revolution ever die? Should that radical want for equality ever cease to loom? Lack of ambition never paid the bills, nor did lacking equal status ever prevent efforts to be.
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Well, it actually dies on those occasions when the revolution succeeds in taking over a country. I mean, once the intelligentsia and their ensuing bureaucrats become the government, and their social justice paradise is implemented -- you can't be criticizing or protesting against socioeconomic utopia. That's both impious and insane, like blaspheming God for giving you the land of milk and honey.

It's in the imperfect, horrendously immoral capitalist countries where the revolution potentially never ends. Even if the revisionists there can achieve incremental social equality (end discrimination), you indeed do have to keep whatever party and its associated movements in business (provide jobs and careers in politics, promote activism, pay the bills, etc).

That's where constantly raising the standards or refining what counts as injustice comes in. Problems can never be [completely] solved in the heathen lands where the dreams of the French Revolution, the precursors of Marx, and Marxist enlightenment itself are (supposedly) doomed to never conquer. Where only the progressives and Neo-Marxist revisionists hold sway, and their unholy compromise with and toleration of capitalism and its wicked traditionalist adherents slash supporters.
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C C said:
Well, it actually dies on those occasions when the revolution succeeds in taking over a country. I mean, once the intelligentsia and their ensuing bureaucrats become the government, and their social justice paradise is implemented -- you can't be criticizing or protesting against socioeconomic utopia. That's both impious and insane, like blaspheming God for giving you the land of milk and honey.
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Everyone knows the lands of milk and honey are reserved for the next new and greater generation. Those of us who walk the wilderness to get there are merely stepping stones, much like those who came before us, handing over to us our portion of the dream itself.

By the way, the revolution never dies, and I'll venture to guess no one ever truly wins. We simply take our rightful positions from the platter handed to us. I guess it's more of a banquet, complete with toad tongues and sweet chocolate, along with a host of other things to temp our senses one way or the other.
C C said:
It's in the imperfect, horrendously immoral capitalist countries where the revolution potentially never ends. Even if the revisionists there can achieve incremental social equality (end discrimination), you indeed do have to keep whatever party and its associated movements in business (provide jobs and careers in politics, promote activism, pay the bills, etc).
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Of course, it's only in non capitalistic cultures that we are truly free enough to pursue happiness.
C C said:
That's where constantly raising the standards or refining what counts as injustice comes in. Problems can never be [completely] solved in the heathen lands where the dreams of the French Revolution, the precursors of Marx, and Marxist enlightenment itself are (supposedly) doomed to never conquer. Where only the progressives and Neo-Marxist revisionists hold sway, and their unholy compromise with and toleration of capitalism and its wicked traditionalist adherents slash supporters.
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All hail capital gain and opportunity ... So long as your gain isn't squashing my dream.
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Wizard of Whatever said:
What's important in life?

Good family
Good friends
Good neighbors
Good acquaintances
Enough resources
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In my early years, yes, good family, good friends, good neighbors, good job, and similar were my priority to enjoy life.

Today all of that is secondary, my priority today is good health. I can be happy with just that.
 
This thread did not age well, all of those things in the OP are being destroyed by Maga morons.
 
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