What will Cassini see on Titan?

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The Cassini space probe is heading for it's first close up flyby of Saturn’s moon Titan. Titan is shrouded in a thick organic fog that obscures all visible light observations, But Cassini has advanced radar mapping and IR cameras and can take picture of Titan’s surface, and make 3D maps of Titans atmospheres like no other telescope or space craft has before. In this flyby Cassini will be able to take pictures of titan's surface with resolutions as low as 50m. Exogeologist are speculating on seeing things like lakes and seas of liquid methane/ethane, methane/ethane rain, water volcanism (ice in a mineral or common rock on Titan), ect.

Here a photo of Titan taken by Cassini yesterday as it approaches, closes approach is tomorrow. Resolution in this pic is at 150km per pixel.
041025xanadu.jpg


http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/041025titanpreview.html
http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/041025flybypreview.html
 
Carolina Martinez (818) 354-9382
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Don Savage (202) 358-1727
NASA Headquarters, Washington
Status Report: 2004-263 October 26, 2004

Cassini-Huygens Mission Status Report

The Cassini spacecraft beamed back information and pictures tonight after successfully skimming the hazy atmosphere of Saturn’s moon Titan. NASA's Deep Space Network tracking station in Madrid, Spain, acquired a signal at about 6:25 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time (9:25 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time). As anticipated, the spacecraft came within 1,200 kilometers (750 miles) of Titan's surface.

At the time, Cassini was about 1.3 billion kilometers (826 million miles) from Earth. Numerous images, perhaps as many as 500, were taken by the visible light camera and were being transmitted back to Earth. It takes 1 hour and 14 minutes for the images to travel from the spacecraft to Earth. The downlink of data will continue through the night into the early morning hours. Cassini project engineers will continue to keep a close watch on a rainstorm in Spain, which may interrupt the flow of data from the spacecraft.

The flyby was by far the closest any spacecraft has ever come to Titan, the largest moon of Saturn, perpetually drenched in a thick blanket of smog. Titan is a prime target of the Cassini-Huygens mission because it is the only moon in our solar system with an atmosphere. It is a cosmic time capsule that offers a look back in time to see what Earth might have been like before the appearance of life.

The Huygens probe, built and operated by the European Space Agency, is attached to Cassini; its release is planned on Christmas Eve. It will descend through Titan's opaque atmosphere on Jan. 14, 2005, to collect data and touch down on the surface.

The latest information and images from Cassini are available at http://www.nasa.gov/cassini . Additional information on the mission and raw images are at http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov .

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Cassini-Huygens mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C.

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Oh my, just look at those clouds! We have never seen them before in detail like that. This is mankind's first glimpse.
 
I think the real exciting part is the 360 degree camera that will slowly rotate around the probe and take pictures as it descends through the clouds. I will be glued to whatever channel providing the coverage.

From what I've read some of the most exciting science will be in the clouds. There are theories that particular kinds of chemistry is occuring in the atmosphere that might contribute to our understanding of the formation of life. It is known there are traces of organic molecules in the atmosphere.

All I can say is that I haven't been this excited over an astronomical event since Spirit and Opportunity. I'm almost more excited about Jan 14 then Dec 25.

:D

The sad part is the probe isn't going to last very long in that frigid temperature... I haven't been able to read exactly how long it will last but nowhere have I read it will survive for days, so months of science is probably way too hopeful.

*Hopes anyways*

Man what a charge, I hope people are excited as I am!
 
http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/041027science.html

Looks like Titan just made more questions then answers, I don't even think Huygens can answer these questions, Huygens is to study the atmosphere it will take few pictures of the surface, no surface material analyzing equipment is on board, in fact it is not expect to last an hour on the surface before the batteries give out. We mihg have to send somethingb like this:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/aerover_for_titan_001020.html
 
WellCookedFetus said:
The Cassini space probe is heading for it's first close up flyby of Saturn’s moon Titan. Titan is shrouded in a thick organic fog that obscures all visible light observations, But Cassini has advanced radar mapping and IR cameras and can take picture of Titan’s surface, and make 3D maps of Titans atmospheres like no other telescope or space craft has before. In this flyby Cassini will be able to take pictures of titan's surface with resolutions as low as 50m. Exogeologist are speculating on seeing things like lakes and seas of liquid methane/ethane, methane/ethane rain, water volcanism (ice in a mineral or common rock on Titan), ect.

Here a photo of Titan taken by Cassini yesterday as it approaches, closes approach is tomorrow. Resolution in this pic is at 150km per pixel.
041025xanadu.jpg


http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/041025titanpreview.html
http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/041025flybypreview.html


Very interesting and a big thank you to all those who worked on this project!
 
The flyby was very successful and did everything they wanted. I watched the press conference this morning but there was very little data that had been interpreted yet. Tommorrow morning (10/28 9am PST) there will be another press conference on the early interpretations. I believe it can be viewed on the NASA TV web site at www.NASA.gov.
 
Too bad its only equiped with a 1 megapixel camera :( Even if the methane fog is too thick to see very far, we're not gonna get mars rover type images.

Have they sent any recent probes to Europa yet? We gotta get under that ice
 
Xerxes said:
Have they sent any recent probes to Europa yet? We gotta get under that ice

Oh man, the International Astronauntical Congress (http://www.iac2004.ca/) was held in my city this year and the space industry had this week-long exhibition (http://www.iac2004.ca/exhibit_list.html) but only the last day was open to the public.

At the NASA area they had possible spaceship/submarines specific for exploring Europa! The main theory for delivering a ship/probe through the thick ice has been a superheated nose/shell that melts the ice as the vehicle sinks. They will have a automated process to sterilize the exterior of the ship before they melt through and into the water. Obviously there are no plans to build the spaceship, but I'm glad they are thinking about it at least! I have read that this will only work if the ice is at a particular thickness (<10 km, I think), and that the ice on Europa might be much thicker (>25 km, I think).

"Thin ice opens lead for life on Europa"
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992929
Good Diagram in here too

"Plan to melt through Europa's ice"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3548139.stm

Other then the Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter (JIMO) I don't see anything else on NASA's future missions chronology that is going to Europa.

Chronology of Lunar and Planetary Exploration (Future Missions)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/chrono_future.html

Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter - Prometheus One
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/profile.cfm?Sort=Chron&StartYear=2000&EndYear=2009&MCode=JIMO

If it goes ahead I reckon it will have more then a few probes destined for Europa! :)

There are plans for probes already!

http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu/archive/design/europa/
 
Xerxes said:
Have they sent any recent probes to Europa yet? We gotta get under that ice

Oh man, the International Astronauntical Congress (http://www.iac2004.ca/) was held in my city this year and the space industry had this week-long exhibition (http://www.iac2004.ca/exhibit_list.html) but only the last day was open to the public.

At the NASA area they had a design for a possible spaceship/submarine specific for exploring Europa! The main theory for delivering a ship/probe through the thick ice has been a superheated nose/shell that melts the ice as the vehicle sinks. They will have a automated process to sterilize the exterior of the ship before they melt through and into the water. Obviously there are no plans to build the spaceship, but I'm glad they are thinking about it at least! I have read that this will only work if the ice is at a particular thickness (<10 km, I think), and that the ice on Europa might be much thicker (>25 km, I think).

"Thin ice opens lead for life on Europa"
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992929
Good Diagram in here too

"Plan to melt through Europa's ice"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3548139.stm

Other then the Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter (JIMO) I don't see anything else on NASA's future missions chronology that is going to Europa.

Chronology of Lunar and Planetary Exploration (Future Missions)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/chrono_future.html

Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter - Prometheus One
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/profile.cfm?Sort=Chron&StartYear=2000&EndYear=2009&MCode=JIMO

If it goes ahead I reckon it will have more then a few probes destined for Europa! :)

There are plans for probes already!

http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu/archive/design/europa/

You know... Ijust thought of something regarding any manned mission under the Europian ice... how are they gonna get out?

Can you imagine being on of the astronauts... exciting but scary...

:eek: *gulp*
 
curious said:
There are plans for probes already!
Already? Those plans are at least 10 years old.
Also, it's always easier to design something than it is to build it. Think of powered flight, helicopters and more recently a space elevator. The first two were designed hundreds of years before they were implemented, and the last has been around for at least fifty years. There are always problems that need to be overcome, such as the necessity of improving materials technology, and also public need/desire for such a tech. Flight was around for 10 years, with no great leaps being made - until there was a war, and it was realised that planes were effective weapons.
 
Some radar maps:
041028radarstrip.jpg

Credit: NASA/JPL
Download larger image version here

Take a look at this, there ar bright cracks, valleys or rivers on the surface.

Carolina Martinez (818) 354-9382

Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Don Savage (202) 358-1727

NASA Headquarters, Washington

Press Release: 2004-265 October 29, 2004

Cassini's Radar Shows Titan's Young Active Surface

The first radar images of Saturn's moon Titan show a very complex geological surface that may be relatively young. Previously, Titan's surface was hidden behind a veil of thick haze.

"Unveiling Titan is like reading a mystery novel," said Dr. Charles Elachi, director of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and team leader for the radar instrument on Cassini. "Each time you flip the page you learn something new, but you don't know the whole story until you've read the whole book. The story of Titan is unfolding right before our eyes, and what we are seeing is intriguing."

The Oct. 26 flyby marked the first time Cassini's imaging radar was used to observe Titan. The radar instrument works by bouncing radio signals off Titan's surface and timing their return. This is similar to timing the returning echo of your voice across a canyon to tell how wide the canyon is. Radio waves can penetrate the thick veil of haze surrounding Titan.

Approximately 1 percent of Titan's surface was mapped during the Oct. 26 flyby. Radar images from Titan's northern hemisphere, a region that has not yet been imaged optically, show great detail and features down to 300 meters (984 feet) across. A wide variety of geologic terrain types can be seen. There are bright areas that correspond to rougher terrains and darker areas that are thought to be smoother.

"In the two days since this flyby, our understanding of Titan has grown tremendously," said Dr. Jonathan Lunine, Cassini interdisciplinary scientist, University of Arizona, Tucson. "Titan is a dynamic place with complex geologic processes that may be shaping its surface. Its surface may well be covered with organic materials, but we still don't know how much of the surface is liquid or solid. The fact that we have seen few craters tells us that Titan’s surface is young."

The radar images show a world brimming with features that are dark and white, indicating sharp contrast. One area dubbed "Si-Si" or the "Halloween cat" because it is shaped like a cat's head is very dark and relatively smooth. That leads scientists to speculate that it might be a lake of some sort, but they caution that it is too soon to know for sure.

"With the radar in its active mode, it is like shouting at Titan and listening for the echoes," said Dr. Ralph Lorenz, Cassini radar team member, University of Arizona, Tucson. "But we can also just listen with the sensitive radar receiver, the radiometry. The radiometry data shows early indications of the composition of the surface materials. One interpretation of what it is telling us is that Titan is a place covered with organics."

The optical imaging cameras on Cassini show streaks on the surface. The streaking may be caused by movement of a material over the surface by wind, flowing hydrocarbon liquids, or a moving ice sheet like a glacier. Imaging scientists are also seeing multiple haze layers in Titan's atmosphere that extend some 500 kilometers (310 miles) above the surface. At the surface Titan's atmosphere is about four times denser than Earth's.

With a remarkable flyby and complicated set of spacecraft gymnastics, Cassini will try its luck with Titan again on Dec. 13, 2004. The European Space Agency's Huygens probe will detach from Cassini on Christmas Eve and descend through Titan's dense atmosphere on Jan. 14, 2005.

"It's as if we were building a puzzle without the top of the box," said Lunine. "It will be necessary to piece together the clues provided by Cassini and Huygens over the next few years. Sometimes we'll be wrong and we'll need to take the pieces apart and reassemble them again until finally, a complete picture of the nature and evolution of Titan pops into view," said Lunine.

More information on the Cassini-Huygens mission is available at http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov and http://www.nasa.gov/cassini .

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Cassini-Huygens mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C.

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geodesic said:
Already? Those plans are at least 10 years old.
Also, it's always easier to design something than it is to build it. Think of powered flight, helicopters and more recently a space elevator. The first two were designed hundreds of years before they were implemented, and the last has been around for at least fifty years. There are always problems that need to be overcome, such as the necessity of improving materials technology, and also public need/desire for such a tech. Flight was around for 10 years, with no great leaps being made - until there was a war, and it was realised that planes were effective weapons.

My guess would be until we have a better idea how thick the ice is on Europa we are going to see nothing but proposals and designs for now.

My hope is for some sort of an attempt to pentrate the ice with JIMO but it seems more likely that Prometheus will be our ticket to unraveling some of the vital information that is necessary to mount a successful mission under the Europian ice (ie. Ice Thickness).
 
A probe on the surface of Europe could dig down just a few meters to test the ice for organics and biology, you don't need to get to the sea below to find life. The ice has been recycled so in it is capture minerals (and life if its there) from the oceans below. Just a few meters below the ice is safe from the intense radiation above.

Now back to titan, would be nice to get an aerobot/rover there.
 
Given the amount of methane and ethane in the atmosphere, it seems surprising that no obvious, extensives seas of liquid hyrocarbons have yet been observed on the surface. The variety of different icy terrains is clearly fascinating - but where does all the precipitated methane and ethane go? There could be plenty of smaller lakes, of course... it just removes the novelty appeal of deep, rolling toxic orange oceans breaking on shoals and sandbars of ice, with wind-driven waves rising tens of metres in the low gravity (paradise for the spacesuited surfers of the future!)

Not to mention that, given its low gravity, Titan must lose methane slowly but steadily into space. There must be some huge surface reservoir of the gas, presumably in a liquid state, which continually replenishes the atmosphere.

Maybe most of the liquid is underground, and much of the young-looking surface we are seeing is the frozen surface of an ocean: like that on Europa? Except not water.
 
that’s a nice hypothesis, what if the surface is mostly frozen hydrocarbons and below are oceans or compressed solids of ethane and methane. It would explain the organics haze as there would be a continuous leaking of methane and ethane into the atmosphere, snow of longer chains organics that are solid at titan temperatures would fall from the haze and cover up the liquids. There is one problem with that theory: density of methane is lower then other hydrocarbons so any oil “snow” would sink not float.
 
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