Should the state surgically seal a woman's vagina closed after removing her ovaries and uterus when she commits a sex crime?
What should be the female equivlant to physical castration?
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Challenger78
Valued Senior Member
Unless its in Iraq or somehow involves money.
No, The state should not. First of all, Isn't the woman risking more danger to herself than others when commiting a sex crime ? .. Like the chance of pregnancy..
Whoa, hold up... women commit Sex crimes ?.
well yes they do and so what if they are risking more when they break the law?
havent you herd of all the female teaches who have been seducing there students recently?
or that girl from australia who went to america to bring home a under age boy
plus there ARE actually female pedifiles, not many but they do exist
havent you herd of all the female teaches who have been seducing there students recently?
or that girl from australia who went to america to bring home a under age boy
plus there ARE actually female pedifiles, not many but they do exist
Fraggle Rocker
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The purpose of castration is not punishment, but to reduce recidivism. The theory is that by removing a man's testes, which eliminates the production of testosterone, he will lose the motivation to commit sex crimes.
This theory has become highly controversial. After studying the evidence, many professionals say that what we call sex crimes are actually crimes of violence and power and have little to to with testosterone levels. In fact (the argument goes) men with low testosterone levels may find themselves at the bottom of the social hierarchy and take revenge on society for this by committing crimes of violence and power against other people who are also at least relatively powerless, namely women and children. The reason they use their penis (the argument continues) is that it's a weapon they can get away with carrying everywhere and one that causes emotional injury to their victims as well as physical.
Apparently there is evidence (enough to fuel this controversy) that some of these men, after castration, continue to commit crimes of a sexual nature using other weapons such as sticks.
I haven't studied this issue personally so I'm not in a position to take sides and do my usual pontification, but there clearly is a controversy among professionals. Nonetheless I've had the relatively unique experience of actually knowing a man who had committed "child molestation," as they called it back in my day. I don't know what the legal outcome was but I know he was guilty because he admitted it to us. I didn't quite know how to deal with this information in my youth, but he dropped off our radar soon enough. For him it was clearly not a crime of violence. He loved children and was just twisted. It's easy to teach children to enjoy a new "game" and it's not too hard to make sure no physical pain is involved. I don't know whether castration would have solved his problem. One thing's for sure, he had no problem finding women with children who were willing to date him and trust him with their children, even knowing of his condition.
In any case, women and men have different sexuality. I don't know much about sex crimes committed by women. It's not easy for the average woman to rape the average man without threat of a weapon. Most of the female sex crimes that get the headlines are adult women with teenage boys. There was a time, probably a very long time, when that was considered a normal rite of passage, and speaking as a male I find it impossible to believe that these boys grew up traumatized by the experience. It would have been a godsend for many of us. Especially in my generation when "sex education" classes were a joke and we grew up inept and perplexed.
So I can't imagine what kind of female "sex crimes" you're talking about where there'd be any reason to use surgery as a demotivator. But for the sake of argument, I know three women who had ovariohysterectomies because of incurable, life-threatening infections. It's the ovaries that produce testosterone in women and are primarily responsible for having a libido. The surgery destroyed both the emotional desire to have sex and the physical ability to perform the act comfortably. They struggled to overcome it (with varying success) by a diligent program of intensive, customized hormone therapy, lubricants, and other things best left to a woman to describe. I can't imagine a woman going through that in order to have sex with an unwilling partner. There's certainly no need to sew her vagina shut. That sounds like something the despicable patriarchal leaders would do in a Stone Age backwater like Somalia.
Fraggle Rocker so stat rape should be abolised as a crime?
Im rather tired of hearing that young boys raped by older women are not effected but that girls of the same age are effected by older men. Thats stupid esspecially when you concider that MOST women date older men and most men date YOUNGER women
(oh and i rember a case where a husband and wife grabbed a guy off the street at knife point and forced him to have sex with the woman)
Im rather tired of hearing that young boys raped by older women are not effected but that girls of the same age are effected by older men. Thats stupid esspecially when you concider that MOST women date older men and most men date YOUNGER women
(oh and i rember a case where a husband and wife grabbed a guy off the street at knife point and forced him to have sex with the woman)
I'm just saying that if they want to cry about hacking off a man's testicles for his crime, then why shouldn't they be calling for similar tactics when dealing with female offenders?
Why the double standard?
Why the double standard?
Challenger78
Valued Senior Member
Well, I'd say the teachers were irresponsible. But come on, 21 and 18 or in some cases 16/15, Isn't that big a leap. not more than say 30 and 60 ..
As for pedofiles, maybe so, If its a compulsive and cannot be solved by any other means.
Because maybe women's rights didn't get extended enough for castration..
Challenger78
Valued Senior Member
Well, rape, as in forced sex ,is immoral and wrong. But people getting jail time for having consensual sex with 15 year olds is a bit absurd.
I like Germany's example, where the legal age is 13.
Challenger78
Valued Senior Member
maybe society still has the idea that women are fragile, gentle things, that can be more easily hurt then men.. ..
I don't think so. They can take the same amount of punishment as men, In some cases more.
Fraggle Rocker
Staff member
Well let's just say that "the age of consent" should be lower. I know a guy who can't leave California because he was convicted of statch in another state and he's considered a sex offender there. He was 18 and his girlfriend was about 17.9. Her father got pissed off and had him busted. He couldn't get a job anywhere so he went back to California to live with his mother. He dutifully went down to the police station to register as a sex offender. The lady looked up his case and started laughing. She tore up his form and said, "Welcome to California."
Well if it's really rape then it's really rape, regardless of who's raping whom. But if it's consensual I think the whole concept of statutory rape is ridiculous--at least down to some reasonable age limit which cannot possibly be 18. (And no, I've never had sex when either of us was under 18.) My point is that most men and boys of any age are far more amenable to having sex initiated by a woman--especially somebody they know like a teacher--than women are in the opposite circumstance.
In fact it's been pointed out that both men and women have a strong sense of fear, outrage, disgust and violation over the idea of sex being initiated against their wishes by a man, whereas neither men nor women feel that strongly about if it's by a woman. If a woman comes on to a woman, even gets a little pushy and hands-on, she is far less likely to press charges than if it's a man. If a man does that to a man most of us will be screaming for the cops before he gets close enough to be hands-on. If a woman does it to a man most of us will say, "You poor thing, if you really need it that desperately I'll be only too glad to do my civic duty."
Unless the victim is into B&D I'd have to call that rape.
I would have to call it rape too.
No way, I'd feel worse if it was a woman than a man. I'd rather not be raped by anyone, but I'd rather it was a man than a woman, that would make me feel somehow less than female.
No way, I'd feel worse if it was a woman than a man. I'd rather not be raped by anyone, but I'd rather it was a man than a woman, that would make me feel somehow less than female.
I would rather it be a woman. I think my chances of fighting or talking my way out of it would be better. And a woman can't get me pregnant and I'm sure the risk of AIDS transmission is lower.