What position are you? Theist, atheist, agnostic, other?

[davewhite04]

That's why I bolded the word real. From what I have read, in the Gospel of Judas he actually said he was only a messenger. In the Gospel of Phillip it was implied he was married to Mary Magdalene and all the disciples were jealous

Funnily enough I could imagine the "married to Mary Magdalene and all the disciples were jealous" being close to the truth. He championed women at the time, a woman's testimony was worth less than a mans back then, yet Jesus first appeared resurrected to two women. In other words he thought outside the box that was Judaism at the time.

 

[davewhite04]

Let me rephrase that for you so that it represents the truth.

It's tough for a man of faith to defend their beliefs when faced with facts and evidence.

Yes. Objective evidence. None exists. That's why religion is a philosophy and not a science.

Jesus would not ever need to say those words if He existed and if God created all people.

What words?

So, his reason for eating people was because he was an atheist?

Read again. I never even said he was atheist you just assumed it why?

To answer the question, your thoughts of a godless universe was his thoughts on a micro scale, his prowling territory.

Agreed. Non-religious societies have less crime, more money and resources, better educated citizens than those in religious societies. Funny how you would think this to be dangerous.

Give me an example of this non-religious paradise?

So, in your view, Dahmer represents the modern day atheist? Crime is much higher in god based societies, Dave.

Huh?

Grylls is a guy who does incredibly stupid things to make money. This does not constitute and understanding, it constitutes stupidity.

Stupid if you don't know what you're doing, he knows exactly what he is doing. He is ex-SAS, which is possibly the most elite armed forces in the world. He broke his back with the SAS, recovered, climbed Everest, became the head Scout leader in England. Survival wise, he is shit hot.

There's a lot of famous Ray Meyers.

You're not interested are you...

Agreed, it must be like a hammer constantly hitting your head every time you think about trying to accept that which has never been shown to exist. I can't imagine having to endure such a thing.

It depends where you choose to spend your time. Not having time to think on such things is ideal.

Not that I've ever seen, they are pretty confident in their faith. Irony at its best.

Are these MAGA or tend to be?

Yet, it is easy, no questions to ask, no answers to hear, no thinking required at all. Just accept whatever the religion says no matter how unlikely, absurd or immoral.

Huh?

 

[davewhite04]

Why would it be? Most of those manuscripts were written between the 11th and 15th century. There were less than a hundred manuscripts, many just tiny scraps of parchment in the first 400 years after Christ. THAT is something to think about.

Did you read what ChatGPT chugged out?

 

[Sarkus]

So many people would not have died or been enslaved or been persecuted at the hands of true believers.

The believers would still exist. They would still consider themselves "true believers". They would just be wrong in thinking that what they believed actually exists.
You later said this:

No, god would be replaced with more rational explanations.

Why would "god" as an explanation be replaced?
Maybe you've taken the question to be where people all know that god doesn't exist? Rather than god simply not existing, and people's belief in god being mistaken?

As a philosophical matter, it actually addresses an important epistemological point: do believers really know that god exists. They may claim to. But what do they actually know, and what of that would actually change if god does not exist. Maybe god does not exist, and thus what they think they know is, however convincing, not true.
The same is true for those that claim to know that god does not exist, so don't think this is an anti-theist argument.

I agree that if everyone suddenly knew that god existed, or they all knew that god did not exist (and by "know" let's say that it can be demonstrated) then people would act differently. But the question was not that, but simply if god did not exist. And to think that people would have acted differently in the past, it in the future is to assume that people would somehow "know" that god does not exist.

Ultimately, either god exists or does not exist. If god exists, the world is as it is, and history is as it was. If god does not, and has never existed, well, the world is as it is, and history as it was. People still believe one way or the other, still convince themselves they "know", and none of what they rely on for that "knowledge" (or what they consider to be knowledge) would be any different.

 

[Olga]

One does not need evil to understand good. If you do, then you don't understand either one of them.

А кто говорит, что нужно быть злым? Речь о том, что для чтобы понять ценность жизни, нужно понимать, что ещё есть и смерть, небытие.

 

[(Q)]

Did you read what ChatGPT chugged out?

Yes, then I found the truth.

 

[(Q)]

Yes. Objective evidence. None exists. That's why religion is a philosophy and not a science.

And since religion is based entirely on faith, it is more or less useless.

What words?

The words you claim Jesus spoke about atheists.

Read again. I never even said he was atheist you just assumed it why?

Because, he was an atheist.

To answer the question, your thoughts of a godless universe was his thoughts on a micro scale, his prowling territory.

I'm still having a hard time understanding what Dahmer has to do with anything.

Give me an example of this non-religious paradise?

I never said they were paradises. I was referring to secular societies that are not based on religious thought. In fact, you can even look at the statistics between Oklahoma, a notorious red state with that of Massachusetts to see the massive differences on education, crime, economics, etc. Red states are stupid, poor and dangerous, yet the Conservative who live there keep voting for the people who keep them stupid, poor and dangerous.

Stupid if you don't know what you're doing, he knows exactly what he is doing. He is ex-SAS, which is possibly the most elite armed forces in the world. He broke his back with the SAS, recovered, climbed Everest, became the head Scout leader in England. Survival wise, he is shit hot.

He's still an idiot.

You're not interested are you...

Sorry, but I have no idea who you're talking about.

It depends where you choose to spend your time. Not having time to think on such things is ideal.

I choose to spend my time in reality, you know the reality where gods have never been shown to exist.

 

[(Q)]

And who says you have to be evil? The point is that to understand the value of life, you need to understand that death and nonexistence also exist.

Nope, that is complete baloney made fresh from the OlgaVerse Baloney Factory.

 

[davewhite04]

Yes, then I found the truth.

Where?

Can you disprove the AI answer that I posted?

 

[davewhite04]

And since religion is based entirely on faith, it is more or less useless.

I think religion is a handicap for some people(who don't want to be religious) who genuinely want to go straight to God.

The words you claim Jesus spoke about atheists.

(old testament, what King David thought about atheists)
Psalm 14:1 (KJV)

Because, he was an atheist.

Your point? You know more about him then me or something?

I'm still having a hard time understanding what Dahmer has to do with anything.

I'm referring to what your mindset is. You said "we both live in a godless universe", Dahmer thought the same way, he just happened to be a killer.

I never said they were paradises. I was referring to secular societies that are not based on religious thought. In fact, you can even look at the statistics between Oklahoma, a notorious red state with that of Massachusetts to see the massive differences on education, crime, economics, etc. Red states are stupid, poor and dangerous, yet the Conservative who live there keep voting for the people who keep them stupid, poor and dangerous.

You blame religion for this? If that is what you're saying, I agree. It is a control system.

He's still an idiot.

Sorry, but I have no idea who you're talking about.

I choose to spend my time in reality, you know the reality where gods have never been shown to exist.

In your own head, just like everyone else.

 

[davewhite04]

No. You want a discussion on your terms. You get frustrated when you don't get what you want. You should try to relax a bit more. Take in some new ideas.

Do you say this to everyone who beats you to a paste?

You said something similar to me.

Are you a Psychologist, because you speak like one on occasion.

 

[billvon]

Are you a Psychologist, because you speak like one on occasion.

Funny story -

Years and years ago my co-worker and I were driving to a supplier to get some assemblies they were making for us. It was around lunchtime, and on the way back we saw a topless bar with a sign "FREE LUNCH!" in the window. Why not? we figured, and we stopped.

The "free lunch" was a sad six-foot-long sub. We had some and then sat there. We were the only two people there, and this dancer came over and danced in front of us. We had a short conversation where we said she could stop dancing, she said she couldn't because her boss would be mad, we asked "isn't the customer always right?" etc. and finally she stopped and sat on the edge of the stage while we ate.

We talked to her for 15 minutes about how she liked her job, how she liked the place she worked at, and what else she did. (Waitressing, it turned out.) It was interesting to hear how a topless dancer saw her job and the people she performed for. As we were leaving she asked us "are you guys psychiatrists?"

I guess no one had asked her anything like that before.

 

[DaveC426913]

As we were leaving she asked us "are you guys psychiatrists?"

That paints an amusing picture. I can almost hear her thoughts.

"Weirdos were more interested in my brains than my boobs. Obviously they're eggheads."

 

[James R]

Do you say this to everyone who beats you to a paste?

You should probably stop barracking just because you feel like somebody is on your side, especially when you don't understand what the point of dispute is.

Do you really think that Sarkus's unsubtle attempts at insulting baiting, throughout that last post of his, make him an intellectual heavyweight who has "beaten James R to a paste"? I think you do.

Are you a Psychologist, because you speak like one on occasion.

We're all psychologists. Most of us are interested amateurs.

 

[Sarkus]

Do you really think that Sarkus's unsubtle attempts at insulting baiting, throughout that last post of his, ...

If you don't like the attempts, maybe you should drop them from your own posts. Or is it one code for you and another for everyone else? 'Cos, you know, there's a word for that.

Asking for a friend.

 

[davewhite04]

You should probably stop barracking just because you feel like somebody is on your side, especially when you don't understand what the point of dispute is.

Do you really think that Sarkus's unsubtle attempts at insulting baiting, throughout that last post of his, make him an intellectual heavyweight who has "beaten James R to a paste"? I think you do.

We're all psychologists. Most of us are interested amateurs.

I think Sarkus has debated very well here James.

I didn't barrack you?

 

[James R]

If you don't like the attempts, maybe you should drop them from your own posts.

Oh, don't get me wrong, Sarkus. I greatly enjoy your attempts. You're always good for a laugh.

 

[James R]

I think Sarkus has debated very well here James.

I'm happy for you. Blissful ignorance must be nice.

 

[DaveC426913]

Well, Bazinga.

 

[davewhite04]

Well, Bazinga.

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What has this nonsense got to do with the price of cheese? Have you read the bible Dave?