davewhite04
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I thought it might be a good time to run this poll, a few new names to account for:
What position are you? Theist, atheist, agnostic, other?
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DaveC426913
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The terms, on their own, are very loaded and definitions are highly subjective. I think you really need to specify your definition for those three terms, otherwise the poll is pretty meaningless.
davewhite04
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Just select "other" then explain it, that was my idea, saves writing 30 atheist position types.
davewhite04
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Just so everyone has it clear what each choice means, here:
Theist - Belief in God/gods
Agnostic - Don't know what to believe, God or No God, gods
Atheist - Non belief in God
Keeping it simple.
Other - For people with a type or different somehow belief or lack of belief. Please explain your position if you select this.
Theist - Belief in God/gods
Agnostic - Don't know what to believe, God or No God, gods
Atheist - Non belief in God
Keeping it simple.
Other - For people with a type or different somehow belief or lack of belief. Please explain your position if you select this.
Wizard of Whatever
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To quote:
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
davewhite04
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Don't post then my attention seeker.
Wizard of Whatever
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Just answering your question. If you don't want a real answer don't ask.
ThazzarBaal
Registered Senior Member
What's your position on the list and which position should I take and when? All the positions are as relevant as any of the others.on the list.
Other (See above for my explanation.)
Other (See above for my explanation.)
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
I answered 'other'.
- I am not opposed to the existence of God, in principle.
- I cannot prove there is no God any more can I can prove there is no teapot orbiting out near Jupiter.
- There is always the possibility that proof of his existence will emerge - be that tomorrow or a thousand years from now.
- I do not have a high expectation that will happen in my life time.
- Since I can continue to operate perfectly fine in the absence of an extant God, I do so.
All that being said, if I were a betting man*, I would place all my money on 'no God'.
* The "How would you bet?" test is a way of determining what someone believes is likely to be true, without them having to defend that belief, or even having 100% conviction in their belief.
It should be noted that all the above points apply just as well to unicorns, except I might hedge my bet just a little more in favour of a unicorn walking out of a forest someday.
- I am not opposed to the existence of God, in principle.
- I cannot prove there is no God any more can I can prove there is no teapot orbiting out near Jupiter.
- There is always the possibility that proof of his existence will emerge - be that tomorrow or a thousand years from now.
- I do not have a high expectation that will happen in my life time.
- Since I can continue to operate perfectly fine in the absence of an extant God, I do so.
All that being said, if I were a betting man*, I would place all my money on 'no God'.
* The "How would you bet?" test is a way of determining what someone believes is likely to be true, without them having to defend that belief, or even having 100% conviction in their belief.
It should be noted that all the above points apply just as well to unicorns, except I might hedge my bet just a little more in favour of a unicorn walking out of a forest someday.
ThazzarBaal
Registered Senior Member
I would bet on gods existence and would win that bet according to at least one of the worlds religions understanding of the term.
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
Would they be able to prove its existence to the adjudicator's satisfaction?
It would not be enough for the faithful in that religion to convince themselves; their proof would need to be objectively verifiable.
ThazzarBaal
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What would it matter to anyone who holds a god position as being true? At least as it relates to hedging a bet that god does exist and there are religions that can validate the legitimacy of that claim.
"My bath water is hotter than Nancy's bath water."
Yeah, well can you prove that to be true for my Nancy and her bath water?"
Moot point and irrelevant
"Theism" usually isn't correlated to non-supernatural gods that could contingently arise technologically somewhere in the universe. Nor with the reconception of occult affairs in a simulation or "artificial world" context. So I started to go with agnostic, but "Other" is more inclusive. I mean, it's very difficult to imagine an engineered god not arising somewhere (unless the Earth is the sole location in all time and space that there will ever be complex life and innovative intelligence). And similarly with internally convincing generated realities accelerating in manufactured quantity. Even Earth truly being that special doesn't rule such out -- it's only the uncertainty with respect to an advancing civilization surviving long enough for _X_ to develop (when a lone special place is the limitation).
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DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
It would not be moot to me and my money.
You made a claim that you would win the bet, given my conditions. I guess you're walking away from your money now?
DaveC426913
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ThazzarBaal
Registered Senior Member
Your conditions? Fair enough, but with those conditions, Mrs. Nancy has the edge. Not my Nancy, but the other one that Im unable to verify bath water temperature. In other words, under your conditions with a world full of Nancy's, there wouldn't be a bet at all.
ThazzarBaal
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Which molded image would need to be proven, anyway. The one where God has 7 wings, eight faces, two toes, and 4 feet, or the image of God that portrays Her as a transexual in process of gender transformation who wears a skirt and combat boots and has a shlong longer than the average mule? Or, maybe there's another image you have in mind.
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
So this is off topic. Can we stay on topic please?
Right. So you can't make good on your claim then.
Back on topic please?
ThazzarBaal
Registered Senior Member
Sure, they're all just as relevant as any other on the list. Theist, agnostic, atheist, and other are all about the same from where I stand.. Which would you view to be less relevant than the others?
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
as/re "stance"
anecdote:
After a long night of partying, we went to a restaurant for breakfast.
Out of the restaurant came a rogue cop who introduced himself by saying "I don't like your looks motherfucker" to one of my fellows.
I attempted to intervene by explaining that all we wanted was breakfast, when from the corner of my eye, I saw him throwing a haymaker punch at my head, so I went up on my tip-toes and his blow just pushed me out of the way with no pain.
When It comes to GOD
I'm on my toes able to go in any direction like a butterfly on the wind.
anecdote:
After a long night of partying, we went to a restaurant for breakfast.
Out of the restaurant came a rogue cop who introduced himself by saying "I don't like your looks motherfucker" to one of my fellows.
I attempted to intervene by explaining that all we wanted was breakfast, when from the corner of my eye, I saw him throwing a haymaker punch at my head, so I went up on my tip-toes and his blow just pushed me out of the way with no pain.
When It comes to GOD
I'm on my toes able to go in any direction like a butterfly on the wind.