What is the case against Evolution?

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  1. globali Registered Senior Member

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    Aminoacids are not aminoacids without N.
    ATP is also meaningless without the N, or the P.
     
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  3. globali Registered Senior Member

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    what does this even mean? that C is C?
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, you are beginning to see the meaning of "necessity and sufficiency". It is a self referential equation, one creates the other.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

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    The sun being above the horizon is a necessary condition for direct sunlight; but it is not a sufficient condition, as something else may be casting a shadow, e.g., the moon in the case of an eclipse.

    Chemistry doesn't work that way. It relies on direct physical contact. Each pattern being necessary and sufficient for the next pattern. Its a deterministic concept, subject to evolution and natural selection.....

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  7. globali Registered Senior Member

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    Then you admit you were wrong about the 3 elements being necessary and sufficient.

    Anyways, you still don't seem to realize the elephant n the room, which is the nonsensical unscientific leap of logic you are making.
    Just read some colloege level biology textbooks and you will easily figure out your misunderstandings.

    thats all i have to say
     
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What a stubbornly halfwitted reply. I think you said you were of Dutch ancestry: perhaps that explains the stubbornness at least.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So no transcript, or anything written.
    Not surprising. Those guys have nothing to gain by being accountable for their schtick - and neither do you.

    Point being: we do have a sufficient and plausible theory of abiogenesis: Darwinian evolution of prebiotic chemical complexes. It's not secure, it's only marginally supported by our scant evidence, but it's a decent guide for research and the way to bet if one must.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the misunderstanding. You don't.
     
  11. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Believe what you want. If there's one decent thing you and some others here have reminded me - it's the virtue of lurking. I should have stayed out of here. Now go flame over in the usual place.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Darwinian evolution does not include abiogenesis.

    Google the reference of your choice.

    Here's an easy one, but there are plenty of others.

    "Often brought up in the origins debate is how evolution does not explain the origin of life. Let's get something abundantly clear: abiogenesis and evolution are two completely different things. The theory of evolution says absolutely nothing about the origin of life. It merely describes the processes that take place once life has started."
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And what a totally insulting and racist retort from someone who entirely lacks any intestinal fortitude.
     
  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, exchemist, what's up with your lack of any intestinal fortitude. Couldn't you at least manage some intestinal fortitude?
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    My intestines can beat up his intestines.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's because you have fortitude (word is, he doesn't).
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I did just have Mexican food. So I certainly have . . . something.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Is abiogenesis not an evolutionary step? After the BB, did the universe not evolve to what we see today, including life? If not what would you call it?
    https://www.space.com/13352-universe-history-future-cosmos-special-report.html

    I always thought that evolution was a natural mathematical honing process, applicable to all things undergoing growth or change, including chemistry, minerology, biology, and the universe itself. (Hazen)
     
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  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    intestinal fortitude

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    intestinal fortitude noun
    Intestinal fortitude is defined as courage and endurance to go on.
    A marathon runner is an example of someone with intestinal fortitude.




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    Is everyone here really shitting their pants so often?
     
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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I guess its my turn to say 'read it again'.

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    Abiogenesis is not part of Darwinian evolution; it is part of cosmological evolution.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Just exchemist, according to the word on the street.
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    In my part of the world we normally speak of testicular fortitude. Cultural differences I suppose.

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  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Is that what comes before fiftitude?

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