Others beg to differ ... especially those to whom it has been established.That has not been established.
Others beg to differ ... especially those to whom it has been established.That has not been established.
Hardly.Crystal-rubbing is not a religion, is it? Yet it has the same effect as God.
Interesting to note the lengths you have to go to make the caricature cogent.Ah, but when done in unison by 600 faithful, the communal ecstasy is so intense, it inspires them to enlist for a crusade to liberate the Holy Handgranade from the unChristalline Pastafarian horde.
"Hardly" is hardly an intelligent response.Hardly.
That doesn't make sense. Its just like saying that people are either categorically healthy or sick and medicinal practices simply places doctors as interlopers between you and your health.Thuswise:
What does religion do for people that "be kind" doesn't do better?
Jeeves - No, it doesn't You either connect with God or you don't. Religion puts an interloper between you and your God.
To address your struggles with theodicy would require a departure from the topic.Acting right, being kind would go over a lot better with a kind and decent god than making meaningless noises once a week in an otherwise unused and wasteful large building.
If one's requirements don't dare to venture beyond gregariousness, volunteer work, employment (which, funnily enough, you draw up as being the ultimate fruit of education) or intimidation, perhaps you would have a point .... but that all said, even for one who is somehow content within such myopic parameters, the failure for individuals or collectives to steadfastly obey the addage of "Be kind" remains perennial.For conviviality, pubs are better. To share good works, volunteer organizations are better. For the employment of idle literate men, academia is better. There is nothing religion does better than other institutions. Even for intimidation, we have secret police.
It was appropriate."Hardly" is hardly an intelligent response.
True. I could have settled for 3 chuckles in one sentence; the fourth was a stretch. Hardly a record - my personal best is seven - but good enough for the current venue.Interesting to note the lengths you have to go to make the caricature cogent.
God is a disease???That doesn't make sense. Its just like saying that people are either categorically healthy or sick and medicinal practices simply places doctors as interlopers between you and your health.
Claiming something - even with personal certainty - is not the same as establishing it.Others beg to differ ... especially those to whom it has been established.
Then the question isn't pointless.No.
Why?
Jan.
Which leads inevitably to the question of "established to whom?" .... which gets in to tricky territory when you start talking about the top end claims of knowledge. If you want to bring democracy to knowledge (how many people can/have establish/ed findings that require an electron microscope) , the world becomes rapidly stupid ... what to speak if the package also comes with a truckload of attitude, as in the case of those vouching forth the claim of atheism.Claiming something - even with personal certainty - is not the same as establishing it.
Lots of people claim the Earth is flat, but that doesn't make it established.
Actually in that analogy, God would be "good health".God is a disease???
Ah, now i get it! The preachers get in between you and your good health.Actually in that analogy, God would be "good health".
Nope again.Ah, now i get it! The preachers get in between you and your good health.
Why can't fundies write grammatical English?If you want to bring democracy to knowledge (how many people can/have establish/ed findings that require an electron microscope) , the world becomes rapidly stupid ... what to speak if the package also comes with a truckload of attitude, as in the case of those vouching forth the claim of atheism.
QEDWhy can't fundies write grammatical English?
That analogy fails in the sense that a doctor generally posses greater knowledge and skill regarding the practice of medicine than the layman, while the preacher has no more knowledge of an actual god than those they preach to, in this case it’s essentially the blind leading the blind.That doesn't make sense. Its just like saying that people are either categorically healthy or sick and medicinal practices simply places doctors as interlopers between you and your health.
Why can't fundies write grammatical English?
Regardless of what contemporary standards or experiences dictate, knowledge and the practitioners of such knowledge exist as primary categories. A predominance of snake oil peddlers may make the prospect of receiving bonafide medical treatment troublesome, but the category of "bonafide medical treatment" doesn't suddenly cease to exist simply because one, for whatever reason, has no access to it .... in fact you could say that such a an unfortunate predominance establishes the bonafide practitioner as even more valuable than what they might otherwise be.That analogy fails in the sense that a doctor generally posses greater knowledge and skill regarding the practice of medicine than the layman, while the preacher has no more knowledge of an actual god than those they preach to, in this case it’s essentially the blind leading the blind.
A poor fund of knowledge makes a clean, high-octane fuel, compared to a rich fund of superstition, which makes an inefficient polluting fuel.Nope again.
Its more like the poor fund of knowledge that drives atheism tends to fuel a willful pursuit of a small minded political agenda that ruins a persons capacity to even read an analogy, much less comprehend it.