What do you think: who/what rules the world? What do you think: who/what should rule the world?
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Pinball1970
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A very broad question, how far back do you want to go? 1000s of years ago we existed as tribes.
We went from that to empires with a lot stuff in-between.
The empires decayed and today we exist as a co-operative global economy, until Trump.
What part do you want to investigate?
Do you mean Economics or superpower? Rule by force? Rule by threat?
С тех времён, когда появились государства.
"Право сильного" ещё никто не отменял.
Pinball1970
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Far too vague, give me a year. That's easier.
Может, лучше не год, а обзественный строй? Например, рабовладельческий, феодальный, коммунистический, капиталистический. Что двигает обществами, людьми, в этих обществах? Что двигает их руководителями? Жажда славы, наживы, альтруизм, страх... Чего было больше в разные времена? Чего нам ждать в будущем?
Pinball1970
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My knowledge of history and political/ideological systems is not good enough to give you a decent answer Olga.
I can tell you about my experiences but I do not think anecdotal arguments will be of much use either. They can help support to a view and put in the human element but it would be too narrow.
Пин, здесь необязательно глубоко знать историю, достаточно и школьных знаний. Скорее, важно видеть суть. Духовная эволюция человечества - это так же интересно, как и дарвиновская телесная. Может, даже ещё интересней.
TheVat
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In the words of Mance Rayder, "We do not kneel." IOW, dispense with rulers and have egalitarian networks of ordinary people who appoint people to administrate various societal functions like transport and food and shelter. Minimize accumulation of wealth and materialism. Only social trust and respect is accumulated, based on competence, wisdom and fair dealing. Those who accumulate such social credit then serve society and "lead from behind." The seeking of power is viewed as a psychological aberration and treated medically. Basically Bakunin anarchism with a pinch of the Metrons on Star Trek. Still working this out, so don't hold me to that.
Т.е. вы предлагаете отменить государственное управление, и вообще упразднить государства как таковые?
Versions of capitalism. Even the Chinese Communist Party had to go back to it.[1]
And despite much effort these days to portray both left and right "bogeymen" as extending voraciously across the political spectrum... Progressives are nevertheless capitalists who merely borrow and commodify the output of left-wing literary intellectuals, to facilitate their own purposes. Such symbolic capitalists, in the world of political and business careers, are analogous to decorator crabs in the sea. These contemporary capitalists drape themselves in the trendy narratives, systemic oppression totems, and social justice fetishes of the various [still evolving] ideological descendants of the French Revolution. While still retaining fealty to traditional commerce and its offshoot effects.
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- [1] The CCP indulges in a variety of pretentious masking of the fact that it prostitutes with capitalism, including appeals that China is still in the preliminary stage of Marxist development. ..... The Socialist Mode of Production: "In the first stage, communist society cannot as yet be free from the traditions and traces of capitalism, from whose womb it has emerged. Only the further development of socialism on the basis which it has itself created can lead to the second and higher phase of communist society."
Robert Lawrence Kuhn: While the CCP claims that China is in the primary stage of socialism, party theorists argue that the current development stage "looks a lot like capitalism". --How China's Leaders Think: The Inside Story of China's Past, Current and Future Leaders
What is it that Americans don’t understand about China?: "They don’t know how capitalist China is. China’s rapid economic growth is the result of its embrace of a market economy and private enterprise. China is among the most open markets in the world: It is the largest trading nation and also the largest recipient of foreign direct investment, surpassing the United States in 2020. The major focus of government expenditure is domestic infrastructure."
Economy of China: "China was second in the world in total number of billionaires. [...] In the CCP's view, China is not a capitalist country because despite the co-existence of private capitalists and entrepreneurs with public and collective enterprise [...but...] Many scholars consider the Chinese economic model as an example of authoritarian capitalism, state capitalism or party-state capitalism.
Socialist market economy (SME): "is the economic system and model of economic development employed in the People's Republic of China. [...] The economy consists of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and mixed-ownership enterprises, as well as a large domestic private sector which contribute approximately 60% of the GDP... Sixty percent!
Versions of capitalism, apparently -- whether one likes it or not (i.e., if resisting the alternative wilderness howl to wander off into reality impairment). The enemy of capitalism cannot survive and attain its collectivist utopia at the end of a centuries-long process slash rainbow, unless it has the authority/power to mitigate, exclude, eradicate its robust rivals. Accordingly -- as history has demonstrated -- resulting in its own brand of incrementally accelerating tyranny. And socialist democrats, via giving up that absolute power -- delivered by revolution -- to prevent or crush opposing parties and economic forces, thereby render themselves just another typical or neutered faction that can only temporarily retain authority.
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Profit motives are certainly an aspect of the system, but also most of what is unique to the modern world (especially constant technological progress).
And it wields an invincible defense tactic along the line of: "Your threats against capitalism are futile. Your ideas, causes, and movements will be assimilated."
Welfare benefits, and the proles being allowed to have property, were just the start for the adaptive responses of the chameleon or changeling called capitalism.
Commercial enterprise has commodified and marketed much, if not all, of what the Left has conceived and crusaded for. This again goes back to symbolic capital, where even dark abstractions like "structural racism" and "patriarchy" have retail value... Can be leveraged into business and personal career enhancing badges of honor, if portrayed as fighting to remedy such menaces. ("Sir Google -- the progressive knight -- charges with lance against the malefic social dragon.")
Demonstrators in the streets are encouraged to maintain the illusion that they are still in control. And the intellectual community probably yet formulates its next moral fixations according to its own volition (no covert machinations and external nudges and influences). But the Great Engine of Commerce will ultimately process, package, and guide their philosophical work to funding its own prosperity.
And a lingering socialist empire like China may assert that it offers parallel sources for radical equality, innovation, and economic growth. But it is just a facade, since even the CCP has to admit that it is still in the first (capitalism laden) stage of its long march to Marxist utopia.
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Pinball1970
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In other words I'm not smart enough in this area Olga! Plenty on here are though.
Вы слишком строги к себе.
Republicans for the most part are stupid, but also have mental health problems, and since there's no Medicare for all, it's too expensive to treat.
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
It is not my area Olga, it is best to recognise ones weaknesses and strengths.
CC, VAT, Exchemist, James, Parmlee, Q Billvon and others and more much more well read and understanding of the issues here.
I can tell by their posts on Trump and other threads.
I have had to read up a lot in the last few months just on how the American constitution works and have had to ask a lot about how Congress works in terms in terms of these executive orders.
Ask me about the Beatles tho Olga and I will turn into the rain man.
Great thread on Viruses too btw. More like that хорошая сестра.
It's interesting how Paul became the bass player he is today after recording Rubber Soul. What do you think happened there? Was it the drugs?
Мартин, ты слышал анекдот про "глупую" обезьяну? Она похожа на ваших "глупых" республиканцев.
На берегу реки сидит обезьяна-республиканец, и полоскает в воде банановую кожуру. Мимо проплывает крокодил-демократ. Увидел обезьяну, полоскающую шкурку, подплыл к ней и спрашивает: "обезьяна, что ты делаешь"?
Обезьяна ему отвечает:"дай доллар, тогда скажу". Крокодилу стало интересно, он дал ей доллар, и обезьяна ему отвечает:"я полоскаю в воде банановую кожуру". Крокодил от злости аж сплюнул со словами:" вот дура!" А обезьяна ему в ответ:" ну, дура или не дура, а свои сто баксов в день имею!"
И кто из них глупее, Мартин?