What are the odds of an ET visitation?

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Ivan Seeking

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Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:

What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.

What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:

What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.

What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
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This is not PF Ivan right?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:

What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.

What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
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It's not just UFO/UAP, it's anything they don't agree with.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:
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The emphasis of course is on the first word....UNIDENTIFIED
Ivan Seeking said:
What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.
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The two great barriers preventing any Alien visitation is time and distance. Asking for this to be proved is ignorant.
Ivan Seeking said:
What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
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The following online explantion should suffice...The Fermi Paradox highlights the contradiction between the high probability of extraterrestrial life and the total lack of evidence for it. Proposed by physicist Enrico Fermi in 1950, it questions why, given the universe's vast age and billions of stars, we haven't encountered intelligent, interstellar civilizations.
Key Aspects of the Paradox
  • Scale and Probability: With 200–400 billion stars in the Milky Way alone, many with planets, the potential for life is high.
    • The "Great Silence": Despite decades of searching (SETI), no confirmed signals or evidence of alien technology have been found.
    • Colonization: Theoretically, an advanced civilization could colonize the entire galaxy in a relatively short time, yet we see no evidence of this.
Proposed Explanations
  • The Great Filter: A, perhaps insurmountable, evolutionary or technological bottleneck exists that prevents life from advancing to a space-faring stage.
  • Rare Life/Intelligence: The conditions for intelligent life are far rarer than assumed, or we are the first, notes this Wikipedia article.
  • Technology & Distance: Interstellar travel is too difficult, civilizations are too far apart, or they have destroyed themselves, says this YouTube video.
  • The Zoo/Isolation Hypothesis: Aliens are aware of us but choose not to interact, according to this YouTube video.
  • Undetectable Technology: Advanced civilizations might use technology we cannot recognize, such as nanobots instead of huge, observable structures, explains this.
Then we have the Drake equation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation The near infinite size of the Universe, coupled with the near infinite number of Stars/Planets, taken along with the stuff of life being found everywhere we have looked, leaves most astronomers and scientists to accept that life would most probably exist somewhere, sometime. In saying that at this stage of proceedings we have absolutely no evidence for any life off this Earth. Again, time and distance (along with extent of the known universe) are the great barriers preventing any contact between intelligent species.
 
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What are the odds of an ET visitation?​

Perhaps, it is a certainty
however
different levels of scientific development/ instrumentation over different times means that; in order to recognize such a visitation: We would (most likely) need to be at similar levels of development in order to recognize each other. If an et visited this planet 200 million years ago; how would we know?
And then, there is the problem of evolution. We evolved on this specific planet with it's specific resources, perhaps, making us somewhat unique. There is nothing that mandates that other lifeforms which evolved on different planets with different ecosystems would be recognizable as lifeforms to us---and visa versa.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:

What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.

What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
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From testimonies of abductees and others who have seen and/or interacted with apparent UFOs and extraterrestrials and/or extradimensionals, I would say it is close to 100%.

Just because human science is at the level it is, doesn't mean that FTL and/or dimensional portals have not been invented by other more advanced races, Just 500 to 1000 years ahead could do it.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
From testimonies of abductees and others who have seen and/or interacted with apparent UFOs and extraterrestrials and/or extradimensionals, I would say it is close to 100%.
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Yes, ignore the physics of reality in favor of mentally unstable testimony.
Wizard of Whatever said:
Just because human science is at the level it is, doesn't mean that FTL and/or dimensional portals have not been invented by other more advanced races, Just 500 to 1000 years ahead could do it.
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Sci-fi movies are not real, fyi.
 
Aw heck, if he wants to leave the door ajar for alien visitors, I say let him have that. We can't really disprove such conjectures, and that gives folks who want to imagine ghosts or gods or healing energies or astral planes or other dimensions or whatever a slender thread to cling to in a vast scary universe. Magical thinking is less intellectually taxing than quantum field theory or cell metabolism.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:

What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.

What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
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Close to zero. You prove me wrong.
 
(Q) said:
The door for such things is shut because physics is against it
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And Biology. It took 200, 000 years for our species to get to the nearest rock.
We would need a species close enough and evolved enough, both of those "enoughs" make the odds close to zero.
 
Unless is some kinda locust bug species I would say pretty low.

I feel that if you have mastered the power to travel the cosmos, and have managed not to wipe yourself out as a species (having that much power), then you are probally more enlightened than us. Beyond treating us as a nature reserve I dont think they would have that much interest in us. We are still very primative.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Since people around here freely throw around personal insults towards anyone arguing for anything UFO/UAP, answer me this:

What are the odds of an ET visitation. Prove it.

What does the Fermi "paradox" tell us? Should we expect to see visitations or not?
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Вероятность 50%. Или посетят, или не посетят.
 
There is very little chance of travel by humans/intelligent life within the solar system much less outside of it. It's just a problem of distance, fuel, weight, radiation, surviving, etc.
 
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