Was more than one shooter involved in the JFK assassination?

[River Ape]

Clearly you have a closed mind on this . . .

Well, to the degree that I found the evidence overwhelming in the end, this is true.

I, on the other hand, do not . . .
. . . Based on what I've seen I don't think it was that remarkable. It required a person who was a trained shooter. Maybe it required some good luck . . . You have presented no evidence so far that extraordinary marksmanship would have been required . . .

Do you have any experience of firearms? I know that trained marksmen failed repeatedly to replicate the shot that Oswald is alleged to have pulled off. Maybe some TV program or whatever found someone in the end who accomplished the feat. But no one has produced evidence that Oswald spent the hours of practice that a top marksman requires, and that old Italian WWII rifle is the last weapon a "trained shooter" would use for the task.

If you were saying, "I agree that Oswald was freakishly lucky, but . . .", then I could believe I might be dealing with someone with an open mind prepared to evaluate the facts even handedly.

Reading the above transcript, it looks like McClelland simply clarified his statement later to dispel any misunderstanding.

And you now think he is lying in order to make money?

There are at least as many (perhaps more - I'd have to check) who say they were fired from the book depository as those who say they came from the grassy knoll.

I do not believe that.

Which audio was used? Who did the analysis? How close together? Has anybody disputed this audio analysis?

If can't find anything YOU won't dispute!

 

[James R]

River Ape,

Clearly you have a closed mind on this . . .

Well, to the degree that I found the evidence overwhelming in the end, this is true.

And on my side I have found the conspiracy evidence I have seen to be underwhelming.

Do you have any experience of firearms?

A little.

I know that trained marksmen failed repeatedly to replicate the shot that Oswald is alleged to have pulled off. Maybe some TV program or whatever found someone in the end who accomplished the feat. But no one has produced evidence that Oswald spent the hours of practice that a top marksman requires, and that old Italian WWII rifle is the last weapon a "trained shooter" would use for the task.

And I have heard opinions from trained marksmen who say that the shot was not overly difficult.

You still haven't commented on the timing and other issues I have mentioned.

If you were saying, "I agree that Oswald was freakishly lucky, but . . .", then I could believe I might be dealing with someone with an open mind prepared to evaluate the facts even handedly.

I've already said that some luck may have been involved. I'm not convinced it had to be freakish.

Reading the above transcript, it looks like McClelland simply clarified his statement later to dispel any misunderstanding.

And you now think he is lying in order to make money?

What I know about him is what I've read in this thread. No more.

Do you think it is worth examining what might be in it for people who are talking up the conspiracy angle? That is, are you as critical of the witnesses who support your conspiracy theory as you are of those who do not?

There are at least as many (perhaps more - I'd have to check) who say they were fired from the book depository as those who say they came from the grassy knoll.

I do not believe that.

Well, I'm sure you have the numbers to show I'm wrong on this, then. Or some other valid reason for not believing it.

Which audio was used? Who did the analysis? How close together? Has anybody disputed this audio analysis?

If can't find anything YOU won't dispute!

I'm just asking for the basic facts about the audio at this point. I'm not disputing anything yet because I don't have enough information about your claim. Surely you know the source of the audio you referred to?

 

[River Ape]

And I have heard opinions from trained marksmen who say that the shot was not overly difficult.

If you believe that, I QUIT.

 

[origin]

If you believe that, I QUIT.

Oh come on, you guys never quit...

 

[James R]

Ok. I thought you'd probably pull out when you found you couldn't actually support your beliefs, River Ape.

 

[Balerion]

If you believe that, I QUIT.

Why are his trained marksmen less reliable than yours? Both of you are making (necessary) appeals to authority on this, so how could you possibly be so incredulous as to quit over this point?

I think James is right, and you're bailing because you can't actually support your position.

 

[River Ape]

Ok. I thought you'd probably pull out when you found you couldn't actually support your beliefs, River Ape.

Well, mostly I quit because I am in retail and the lead up to Xmas is a frantically busy time of the year, and I felt I was wasting my valuable time.
But here's a clip of Clint Hill, the guy who leaped onto the trunk of the car, describing the same gaping hole in the back of JFK's skull that Dr McClelland insisted was there, and which did not appear on the faked autopsy photo. And it was faked, I suggest, because the hole was so obviously an EXIT wound -- proving that JFK was hit from in front (which was what the doctors reported in the first place).
[video]http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1737703[/video]

 

[River Ape]

And here's another clip with evidence from Governor Connally
referring to JFK's "blood and brain tissue ALL OVER THE BACK of the limousine" ...
[video]http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1746662[/video]

BTW, look at the flags flying at the start of the clip. There was a wind blowing that day in Dallas which made Oswald's scoring a hit on the President from the book depository an even more unlikely story. They never did find his wind gauge, did they?