Was moon landing a fake?

[Sylvester]

Well done, Toad. That's beautiful.

Never saw those translations. The one i know of is much[/] (way?) better.

On topic...

From what I understand Stanley Kubrick in his 2001:A Space Odyssey got space-view shots of the Earth and Europa (was it?) uncannily correct although there were no space-view shots of those places available at the time. We are so used to seeing such shots now that we often miss the sheer prophecy of Kubrick's work. However, as admirable as his achievement is, I don't think it was any thing more than an intelligent estimation. Within just a few years, months even, such views of Earth would be made widely available. It's sort of like the year before the Wright Brothers took off, no one much would be astonished that heavier-than-air flight would soon be achieved. Even if they couldn't invent the airplane themselves, they could kind of see it coming just around the corner.

The government would not need Kubrick to be any part of it. From a technological standpoint, the filming could have been done by numerous people, even at the time and especially those working for a govt. agency.

As for 2001, it was OK. It is not my favorite of his, maybe 3rd.

From memory the images you are referring to are a little cloudy. I would be willing to bet other depictions\artistic renderings existed at the time that he may have seen, although cant say for sure since it was a little before my time.

 

[Dr_Toad]

I grew up reading Analog, F&SF, and lord knows what else was available in monthlies.

Some of the cover and story lead art art was amazing. Some of the artists did hard science illustrations as well, if I remember.. It was almost before my time too.

 

[paddoboy]

I don't think it was any thing more than an intelligent estimation. Within just a few years, months even, such views of Earth would be made widely available. It's sort of like the year before the Wright Brothers took off, no one much would be astonished that heavier-than-air flight would soon be achieved. Even if they couldn't invent the airplane themselves, they could kind of see it coming just around the corner.
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One of the world's great scientists, Lord Kelvin said words to the effect man powered flight [Aviation] was never going to get of the ground, in about 1897 from memory.
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William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin OM, GCVO, PC, PRS, PRSE (/ˈkɛlvɪn/; 26 June 1824 – 17 December 1907), was a British mathematical physicist and engineer who was born in Belfast in 1824. At the University of Glasgow he did important work in the mathematical analysis of electricity and formulation of the first and second laws of thermodynamics, and did much to unify the emerging discipline of physics in its modern form. He worked closely with mathematics professor Hugh Blackburn in his work. He also had a career as an electric telegraph engineer and inventor, which propelled him into the public eye and ensured his wealth, fame and honour. For his work on the transatlantic telegraph project he was knighted by Queen Victoria, becoming Sir William Thomson. He had extensive maritime interests and was most noted for his work on the mariner's compass, which had previously been limited in reliability.
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Letter to Robert Baldwin Hayward (1892), as quoted in Energy and Empire : A Biographical Study of Lord Kelvin (1989) by Crosbie Smith and M. Norton Wise
I am afraid I am not in the flight for “aerial navigation”. I was greatly interested in your work with kites; but I have not the smallest molecule of faith in aerial navigation other than ballooning or of expectation of good results from any of the trials we hear of. So you will understand that I would not care to be a member of the aëronautical Society.
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[Sylvester]

I grew up reading Analog, F&SF, and lord knows what else was available in monthlies.

Some of the cover and story lead art art was amazing. Some of the artists did hard science illustrations as well, if I remember.. It was almost before my time too.

Hope you kept a few of those magazines. Never heard of the ones you mentioned - Analog and F&SF, were those magazines? What is F&SF?

So...yeah, probably were images available like the one Arne is referring to, would be worth looking into. In a similar vein, I recommend to Arne Saknussemm a show called "The Twilight Zone"...LOL

 

[DNA100]

@ Dr Z. - 'NASA mooned us.! Aren't you clever.

@Fraggle and everyone else - For me most convincing is that the Soviets who had every reason to reveal the first Moon landing as a hoax, if it were one, simply congratulated the achievement when it happened. They had the technological know-how and the spying capabilities to reveal the landing as faked. They would be seen as losing the space race if the USA got to the Moon first. Their national honor was at stake -and in a a huge way. If they even somewhat suspected the whole project was bogus they certainly would have spoke up.

I don't believe in the conspiracy, but I remember watching a documentary where they said Soviets themselves had several covering ups to do. For example, the death of a human being and a dog in outer space or something like that. So if that's true, that kind of takes away from this.

 

[Arne Saknussemm]

Hope you kept a few of those magazines. Never heard of the ones you mentioned - Analog and F&SF, were those magazines? What is F&SF?

So...yeah, probably were images available like the one Arne is referring to, would be worth looking into. In a similar vein, I recommend to Arne Saknussemm a show called "The Twilight Zone"...LOL

Analog is just about the most famous Sci Fi mag of all. I'm surprised you have never heard of it. F&SF must be Fantasy and Science Fiction, also very popular and famous. You can click my links to see their online incarnations.

No need to recommend Twilight Zone to me. I was too young to enjoy them even in repeats in the 1970s, but this past half-year I have been enjoying every episode I can find n the Net. Thanks anyway.

I don't believe in the conspiracy, but I remember watching a documentary where they said Soviets themselves had several covering ups to do. For example, the death of a human being and a dog in outer space or something like that. So if that's true, that kind of takes away from this.

Yes, I see what you mean. Just to clarify, I also do not believe for a moment that the moon landings were faked, any one who thinks otherwise hasn't read post #1 very carefully, unfortunately.

 

[origin]

I don't believe in the conspiracy, but I remember watching a documentary where they said Soviets themselves had several covering ups to do. For example, the death of a human being and a dog in outer space or something like that. So if that's true, that kind of takes away from this.

Some documentary? Something like that? If that's true?

Uh, that is not very convincing. Do you have any more info?

Here is what I found.

 

[sideshowbob]

I don't believe in the conspiracy, but I remember watching a documentary where they said Soviets themselves had several covering ups to do. For example, the death of a human being and a dog in outer space or something like that. So if that's true, that kind of takes away from this.

Even a closely guarded society like the Soviet Union couldn't "cover up" the deaths of cosmonauts that we do know about - Komarov, etc.

 

[youreyes]

Whoever believes in USA moon landing was a scam, is just lazy. Plain and simple. Countless Japanese, Indian, American satellites have shown countless satellite photos of landing sites of the Apollo missions. But to no avail, the conspirators must have it their Capricorn One way. Is beyond pathetic.

 

[Dr_Toad]

Hope you kept a few of those magazines. Never heard of the ones you mentioned - Analog and F&SF, were those magazines? What is F&SF?

So...yeah, probably were images available like the one Arne is referring to, would be worth looking into. In a similar vein, I recommend to Arne Saknussemm a show called "The Twilight Zone"...LOL

They were high-acid paper, not much better than newsprint, so they didn't survive. Except in mind, of course! Kelly Freas' illustrations, Spider Robinson's wonderful web-spinning.. All the others... Those were fun reads!

I'm wistful. And probably old, too.

 

[DNA100]

The thing is - while I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, I can't really blame them either.
Most conspiracy theorists don't seem to have any problems with the unmanned missions, or satellites etc- their problem is with the "manned missions".

We landed in 1969, 12 men landed over a span 3 years. About 45 years has passed and we could not even repeat it once. 45 years is an awful lot of time even considering the costs and other factors.
During the '70s most in popular media thought that trips to moon would be routine by 2000.

The reason why we never had similar conspiracy theories related to "computers" or "aeroplanes" is because the general public had soon access to these technologies. They were tangible things for the general public. But for whatever reason, it seems our progress in space exploration has happened at a remarkably slow pace.

 

[exchemist]

The thing is - while I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, I can't really blame them either.
Most conspiracy theorists don't seem to have any problems with the unmanned missions, or satellites etc- their problem is with the "manned missions".

We landed in 1969. 45 years has passed and we could not even repeat it once. 45 years is an awful lot of time even considering the costs and other factors.
During the '70s most in popular media thought that trips to moon would be routine by 2000.

The reason why we never had similar conspiracy theories related to "computers" or "aeroplanes" is because the general public had soon access to these technologies. They were tangible things for the general public. But for whatever reason, it seems our progress in space exploration has happened at a remarkably slow pace.

I think it is because the space race was essentially a cold war Big-Swinging-Dick contest between the USA and the Russian empire. No need for that any longer: the point has emphatically been made by the USA, starting under Kennedy and continuing until Reagan, and Communism has now been abandoned.

 

[DNA100]

I think it is because the space race was essentially a cold war Big-Swinging-Dick contest between the USA and the Russian empire. No need for that any longer: the point has emphatically been made by the USA, starting under Kennedy and continuing until Reagan, and Communism has now been abandoned.

Even considering the cold war, it seems the world has progressed a lot in everything, except in space exploration.Even the Russians, who soon caught up with Nuclear Technology (and currently have the most powerful thermonuclear device), have failed to land a single man on moon.

 

[Walter L. Wagner]

Even considering the cold war, it seems the world has progressed a lot in everything, except in space exploration.Even the Russians, who soon caught up with Nuclear Technology (and currently have the most powerful thermonuclear device), have failed to land a single man on moon.

I suspect we'll be seeing China do so in the near future.

 

[kmguru]

I suspect we'll be seeing China do so in the near future.

Not really...there are serious extraterrestrials watching our move...if they said NO...we will have a hard time getting there. That is because our science did not improve our Spiritual Level (that is a long story)...perhaps...

China may be different if they use Buddhism as the basis...we shall see...

Yesterday I talked to Late Sir Arthur Clarke...but we can not say anything on this in this website...that is why...all the problems...

 

[origin]

Not really...there are serious extraterrestrials watching our move...if they said NO...we will have a hard time getting there. That is because our science did not improve our Spiritual Level (that is a long story)...perhaps...

China may be different if they use Buddhism as the basis...we shall see...

Yesterday I talked to Late Sir Arthur Clarke...but we can not say anything on this in this website...that is why...all the problems...

This is the science section so generally it is frowned upon just to make up stuff based on feelings, injesting hallucinogens, etc.

 

[kmguru]

This is the science section so generally it is frowned upon just to make up stuff based on feelings, injesting hallucinogens, etc.

You are correct...may be that feeling will change in 200 years...and I agree. So, you will not make any Space rockets going anywhere...bigtime...that is science......

Meaning: You will not do any wormhole type space ships for 200 years....guaranteed...

 

[origin]

So, you will not make any Space rockets going anywhere...bigtime...that is science...

You are 100% wrong on this. You should stick to your voodoo stuff and leave science to people with at least some knowledge.

edit to add: Just realized that you mean we just won't have wormhole travel space ships. No kidding? We won't have any Harry Potter magic wands by then either.

 

[kmguru]

You are 100% wrong on this. You should stick to your voodoo stuff and leave science to people with at least some knowledge.

edit to add: Just realized that you mean we just won't have wormhole travel space ships. No kidding? We won't have any Harry Potter magic wands by then either.

...I am a Rocket scientist working on Atlas types long ago and did main rocket project for NASA...

That means you are going to send basic rocket type technology to everywhere? That is SCIENCE...so let us talk about that...anything else is too much for this website...

 

[paddoboy]

That means you are going to send basic rocket type technology to everywhere? That is SCIENCE...so let us talk about that...

Science literally means knowledge, and as we gain knowledge, we will continue to search for evidence that we are not alone, improve the quality and methodology and type of our propulsion methods, that will take us further and further.
Warp technology? As I'm fond of mentioning, it isn't against the laws of physics, but may require " new physics"to achieve.
Yes, we will go everywhere as technology and time permits.
"we were not born to stagnate on this fart arse little blue orb"
paddoboy:

And 9/11 and Moon landing conspiracies?
Common sense and logic says either would be Impossible to even contemplate achieving for many many reasons that have been mentioned many many times.
The simple fact is that NASA successfully "conspired" to send man to land on the Moon 7 times, and had success 6 times, and 9/11 was conspired by a group of fanatical ratbags, that achieved in killing 3000 people, started a war, and changed the course of human history.