War on Iran

Two "Imperial Legions" mustering to the Crusade front ?
Seems mighty odd considering His Infernal Majesty keeps telling us the war is already won.

Then again, it seemed almost inevitable that it would come to this.
Pentagon weighs sending 10,000 more combat troops to the Middle East
Trump would be going out there himself, if it wasn’t for his heel spurs.
And ex-military journalist ‘Vet’ Vance can’t go just yet because he has a cold, and will wait until they have set up the military newspaper tent.
 
Trump would be going out there himself, if it wasn’t for his heel spurs.
And ex-military journalist ‘Vet’ Vance can’t go just yet because he has a cold, and will wait until they have set up the military newspaper tent.
They should send Barron Trump. He's so tall maybe he'd "shock and awe" the Iranians into surrendering. :tongue:
 
I used to think describing MAGA operatives as "Bond villains"' was a metaphor. Not so sure now....

Republicans are considering reductions in federal health spending to help pay for a budget bill containing as much as $200 billion to fund the Iran war and immigration enforcement. (From the Axios 5 Big Things this a.m.)

Anyway. Thanks GOP for another boost to James Talarico, and all the other candidates for Congress seeking to flip it in the midterms.
 
So, according to Rubio:
Here are the clear objectives of the operation. You should write them down:
1. The destruction of Iran’s air force
2. The destruction of their navy
3. The severe diminishing of their missile launching capability
4. The destruction of their factories.


No mention of nuclear capability.
No mention of regime change.

Hmmm. Anyone want to take a guess as to what the asylum will claim the "clear objectives" of the war when asked next week?

Rumours abound that the US are looking for a quick off-ramp, and to then basically leave their mess for everyone else to clear up. They seem to want the Arab nations to pay for the US/Israel war, which they're already doing in as much as being targets for Iran's retaliation, but that's not what Trump is suggesting (which is actual payment to the US). They also seem to be increasingly okay with walking away with the Strait of Hormuz under Iranian control, limiting oil supplies to all the US partners that had ****-all to do with the war. It's like kicking a hornet nest at a house on the next street, and then walking away and leaving the house-owner to deal with the angry hornets.
 
So, according to Rubio:
Here are the clear objectives of the operation. You should write them down:
1. The destruction of Iran’s air force
2. The destruction of their navy
3. The severe diminishing of their missile launching capability
4. The destruction of their factories.


No mention of nuclear capability.
No mention of regime change.

Hmmm. Anyone want to take a guess as to what the asylum will claim the "clear objectives" of the war when asked next week?

Rumours abound that the US are looking for a quick off-ramp, and to then basically leave their mess for everyone else to clear up. They seem to want the Arab nations to pay for the US/Israel war, which they're already doing in as much as being targets for Iran's retaliation, but that's not what Trump is suggesting (which is actual payment to the US). They also seem to be increasingly okay with walking away with the Strait of Hormuz under Iranian control, limiting oil supplies to all the US partners that had ****-all to do with the war. It's like kicking a hornet nest at a house on the next street, and then walking away and leaving the house-owner to deal with the angry hornets.
But the closure of the Strait was to exert economic pressure on the US (and thereby indirectly on Israel) to stop the attacks. I see no reason why non-combatant nations should not be able to negotiate with Iran to get the Strait opened again (except perhaps for US destined vessels).

Perhaps the EU could go further and offer to drop all sanctions if Iran undertakes not to mount any further terrorist activity in the EU. Iran will want to get back to normal too. The Israelis would hate that, but then why the hell should the EU help Israel? They can tell them to run to their sponsor if they are bothered.

The Israelis will no doubt try their usual eyeball-rolling hysteria about mad mullahs with a nuke, but the EU can say we don't see that as a threat to us so it isn't our problem.
 
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Incredible ass pustule.

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Incredible ass pustule.

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The guy is senile and the British government understands that. He's just like an ancient great uncle, raving in his nursing home. You listen, you nod, you say a few emollient things from time to time - and you wait for him to die. Nobody is really listening any more.
 
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(Posted below before seeing your spot-on analogy, exchemist )

May I suggest that WH aides give the Turnip a pretend cellphone, into which he can type that sort of garbage, and it will simulate the message going up on the social media site, with an AI generating approving responses. Then he can watch AI generated war footage (by all reports, Turnip loves watching violent content, FFing movies, JC Van Damme type stuff, to get to the most kidney tenderizing fight scenes) until he falls asleep.
 
But the closure of the Strait was to exert economic pressure on the US (and thereby indirectly on Israel) to stop the attacks. I see no reason why non-combatant nations should not be able to negotiate with Iran to get the Strait opened again (except perhaps for US destined vessels).

Perhaps the EU could go further and offer to drop all sanctions if Iran undertakes not to mount any further terrorist activity in the EU. Iran will want to get back to normal too. The Israelis would hate that, but then why the hell should the EU help Israel? They can tell them to run to their sponsor if they are bothered.

The Israelis will no doubt try their usual eyeball-rolling hysteria about mad mullahs with a nuke, but the EU can say we don't see that as a threat to us so it isn't our problem.
I don't know why the nuclear threat cannot be achieved by a combination of mowing the lawn and incentives.

It is all kicking the can down the road though since Israel has adopted a posture that I can't see as being accepted by its neighbours in the medium to long term.

Perhaps an acceleration in the pace of a decarbonized global economy will defuse the situation in time?
 
The guy is senile and the British government understands that. He's just like an ancient great uncle, raving in his nursing home. You listen, you nod, you a few emollient things from time to time - and you wait for him to die. Nobody is really listening any more.
Every line in that SM post bespeaks advanced dementia. My concern is not your government, which I'm sure has grasped the situation, but many people in the UK who might see that kind of thing reposted somewhere and get the impression that Americans generally feel that way and have basically abandoned the UK and shitcanned the alliance. They might take the fact that we the people haven't dragged him out of the WH and coated him with tar and chicken feathers to mean most of us accept his vile taunts and insults to Britain and EU. I hope not, and I like to think the British (and EU) are generally more literate and informed than Americans.


Perhaps an acceleration in the pace of a decarbonized global economy will defuse the situation in time?
I used to hope that would happen, but I think that's going to take a while, and I don't see how it will end the ongoing religious/cultural/land theft strife between Israel and the legions of enemies and terrorists it births with every asymmetrical bombing response.
 
(Posted below before seeing your spot-on analogy, exchemist )

May I suggest that WH aides give the Turnip a pretend cellphone, into which he can type that sort of garbage, and it will simulate the message going up on the social media site, with an AI generating approving responses. Then he can watch AI generated war footage (by all reports, Turnip loves watching violent content, FFing movies, JC Van Damme type stuff, to get to the most kidney tenderizing fight scenes) until he falls asleep.
The positive thing about this latest outburst is that it betrays a desperate frustration on his part to get out of the mess he has created. So he rails at all and sundry to cover up the pressure he feels to give up, empty-handed. But he could of course equally well wake up tomorrow and send in the marines. It all depends on who he last spoke to.

I expect the UK and EU not to react to his trolling and leave him to stew.
 
But the closure of the Strait was to exert economic pressure on the US (and thereby indirectly on Israel) to stop the attacks. I see no reason why non-combatant nations should not be able to negotiate with Iran to get the Strait opened again (except perhaps for US destined vessels).
It depends how Iran view non-combatant "allies" of the US. I'm sure a deal could be worked out, but it will come at a financial cost, I'm sure, as they're already charging their own allies something like $2m a pop to traverse the strait.
Perhaps the EU could go further and offer to drop all sanctions if Iran undertakes not to mount any further terrorist activity in the EU. Iran will want to get back to normal too. The Israelis would hate that, but then why the hell should the EU help Israel? They can tell them to run to their sponsor if they are bothered.
Yeah, hopefully the EU and UK can play the grown-ups with Iran. But we'll see. Plenty of such mopping up to do now that the bull is winding down his rampage, bizarrely leaving Iran in a potentially even stronger position on the world stage.
The Israelis will no doubt try their usual eyeball-rolling hysteria about mad mullahs with a nuke, but the EU can say we don't see that as a threat to us so it isn't our problem.
:)
Fun times ahead.
 
It depends how Iran view non-combatant "allies" of the US. I'm sure a deal could be worked out, but it will come at a financial cost, I'm sure, as they're already charging their own allies something like $2m a pop to traverse the strait.

Yeah, hopefully the EU and UK can play the grown-ups with Iran. But we'll see. Plenty of such mopping up to do now that the bull is winding down his rampage, bizarrely leaving Iran in a potentially even stronger position on the world stage.

:)
Fun times ahead.
The EU should recognise Palestine, to show good faith. It has to be made clear to Israel that they have run out of goodwill, thanks to their disgusting behaviour in Gaza and now this reckless and illegal war, from which we are all suffering.

I don’t think the UK can benefit as it is seen as too much of an ally of the US. But Spain and Italy certainly could lead for the EU.
 
Quite a predicament for the locals. If your government decides to use a nuke then you’re probably screwed. Try and stop them….same thing.
 
On Today's Losses

Look, I'm not sarcastic when I say I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason we're flying F-15s in Iran, but, y'know, to the other, I feel like if you're losing Warthogs, you're doing it wrong. Or, at least, it's not a sign that you're not not doing it wrong.
 
On Today's Losses

Look, I'm not sarcastic when I say I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason we're flying F-15s in Iran, but, y'know, to the other, I feel like if you're losing Warthogs, you're doing it wrong. Or, at least, it's not a sign that you're not not doing it wrong.
You left out "to the one".

Now do you do it "right"?
 
File under grotesque ironies of war (wait! No, no, it's not a war, it's an "excursion" or "operation," depending on which MAGA stooge/poodle you talk with):

Tehran psychiatric hospital was damaged by US-Israeli strikes on an adjacent site​


The Delaram Sina Hospital wasn’t directly hit, but a nearby explosion damaged parts of the building and blew out most of the windows. No casualties were reported at the 100-bed hospital that specializes in treating patients suffering from anxiety and post traumatic stress disorders.

“Electricity to the hospital was cut off,” hospital chief Mohammad Asgari told reporters Saturday. “All the glass, windows and doors were shattered, many walls collapsed, and the hospital was hit by multiple pieces of shrapnel.”

Asgari said that fortunately the ward close to the explosion site housed no patients at the time.

The explosion left the facility with shattered glass, damaged beds and broken equipment covered with dust, AP video showed.
 
File under grotesque ironies of war (wait! No, no, it's not a war, it's an "excursion" or "operation," depending on which MAGA stooge/poodle you talk with):

Tehran psychiatric hospital was damaged by US-Israeli strikes on an adjacent site​


No casualties were reported at the 100-bed hospital that specializes in treating patients suffering from anxiety and post traumatic stress disorders.

Asgari said that fortunately the ward close to the explosion site housed no patients at the time.
That explains why no casualties or could be the entire population of Iran is suffering from PTSD, can’t escape from a daily fear of death and really no point in checking in to a psych hospital. Maybe something worth blowing up near there that even PTSD sufferers were willing to avoid coming close to.
 
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