War between US and Iran/Iraq/Syria/Lebanon

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Schmelzer, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    In fact just like Iron Man he created a complete AI replica of himself with all of his neural patterns and memories intact. They got the technology from Russia- Putin made a big speech about AI and magically it all just appeared overnight at an infinitesimal fraction of what it would cost any other nation to achieve, like every major project he announces in speeches. But the AI is unnecessary for now because Soleimani is still alive in a Russian cave drinking vodka with Bin Laden, Schmelzer and Elvis.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The funny thing about oil is that in less than a decade it will most likely be obsolete...
    Lol
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    And the drone struck AI Sulemani decoy's processor is lying on the ground somewhere calling out in a quiet voice "Help me"
    (Reference to that brilliant Russian made sci fi series, Better than us )
     
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  7. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Looks like you have taken one picture of damage to declare this was all the damage? And don't forget, two bases have been attacked.

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    Whatever. The Iran has officially said that this was only a slap in the face of the US. The revenge for Suleimani will be finished if the Americans have been thrown out of the ME. So, this thread will remain actual some time. Conspiracy BS and spam disposed of.
     
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You may be right.... but you have to be careful. The first two red circles from the left are shown in close up with my image:

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    which clearly shows only one missile hit and possibly the lower area is not a hit at all....
    Note the distinct difference between areas. So it begs the question , if they got this one wrong how many others are mistaken...
    You would need close ups of all areas claimed to be hit to verify it for your self...

    Note the very dark almost black bits are shadows on extreme contrast...
    Fake news is rampant. Misinformation chronic.. beep!
     
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  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's not the extent of the damage to the base. That's a blown up section of a larger picture showing similar damage to 4 other parts of the base. It does appear that they intended to limit human casualties and just to send a message by destroying equipment.
     
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  10. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Staged or not - the action shown was a nice one, the world applauds.

    1. act: Trump murders a diplomat on a diplomatic mission initiated by the US.
    2. act: The Iraqi parliament decides that the US has to leave the country. The Premier gives there a nice speech, explaining to the public how US diplomacy works: "Give us 50% of your oil income" "No, the Chinese have given us better conditions" "Stop this or we start demonstrations against you" "No" "Ok, then our snipers will kill as protesters as police, it worked nicely in Ukraine" "No, and I will tell the people about this" "Then I will kill you".
    3. act: The US looks totally confused. "To run away or not to run away, that is the question".
    4. act: Iran promises revenge. Trump answers that if Iran attacks some US forces, he will bomb Iran in a very harsh way, 52 or so targets, including some culturally very important things.
    5. act: Iran simply attacks two US bases, with live pictures of Khamenei from the command center. And tells the US that if they attack Iranian soil, there will be a much stronger next attack.
    6. act: Trump asks his generals to start the attack against the 52 Iranian sites, the generals explain to him that in this case there would be many many dead US soldiers. And explain to him it is much better to let those 50 soldiers die somewhere else in car accidents or so and not to retaliate at all. Trump submits, and declares that the US will accept that slap in the face. The generals stand behind him to check that he really says what they have told him.

    End of the first part, standing ovations worldwide.

    If you doubt that there was a hit, simply compare before and after in this gif: https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1215032249436917760

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    What is really interesting is that all the hits are hits of particular chosen targets, no hits of the nearby useless area itself. So, these weapons hit with sufficiently high precision.
     
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  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I stand corrected thank you...
     
  12. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    It wasn't 50 US soldiers who secretly died, it was actually 3000, 10x as many deaths as Russian cavemen suffered when they tried attacking the US in Syria. They won't be accounted for as car crash victims, rather it will be said they were taking a luxury cruise on the way home and the ship sank because it was built in Russia. BTW if the lack of US casualties with "singed hair and melted skin" isn't doing it for you, I highly recommend laying off the vodka and trying Viagra instead.
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    According to Canada the commercial jet was shot down by Iranians.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...e-shows-iran-shot-down-ukraine-plane/11857086

    There have been and are indications that Iran may not control it's own military and the shooting down of this craft may be symptomatic of this.
    One of the main reasons why Nukes should not be allowed to be developed is the lack of genuine and unforced stability in Iran and region. IMO

    Perhaps Russia has more to loose than the USA if Iran develops Nukes
     
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  14. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Russia has nothing left to lose except their recycled nukes left over from the 1970's, that's the only thing which makes them scary and the main reason they can't be trusted to get involved with Iran or any other affair.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    soo
    iran military shot down a civilian passenger plane full of civilians ...

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    there is news reports it might have been 2 missiles, video shows 1 missile hitting.?
    why fire the 2nd missile ?
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Two SAM batteries on auto....probably. Just tragic...
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    auto at an internal civilian air port...

    i dont understand the logic unless it is to prevent people leaving with deadly force.

    i think all airlines and aviation authority's are right to immediately list Iran as a no fly zone.

    i wonder how many layers of checks and balances and authority they have to ensure and control such things are being used.

    i get the distinct feeling the Iranian people will simply shug this off and say "oh well people make mistakes" and not force the government to review and take proper control of such terrible weapons.
    but they have capital punishment...
    all capital punishment murders innocent people
    most people who promote and believe in capital punishment are quite happy with innocent people being murdered (as long as it is not them or their own family) to use as a preventative message to the rest of the population.

    this is morally the same as sacrificing people to a god for personal ideologies and social obedience.
     
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  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    It's not too much of a stretch to consider that the military and the civilian command structures may not have been talking to each other too well.
    When a nation such as Iran decides to poke the USA with a stick in retaliation for Trumps impromptu decision to take out a general that all of Iran's military infrastructure would have gone onto the equivalent of "red alert". Bringing auto defense systems into play with out taking the necessary steps to inform the civilian airport authorities that no fly zones existed.
    Heightened paranoia leads to all sorts of mistakes....
    I can not see any strategic purpose for any faction deliberately shooting down a commercial jet and like the shooting down of the Com. Jet in Ukraine most likely a tragic accident of military misadventure ( incompetence)
     
  19. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I imagine there are thousands of posts on Russian forums popping up right now blaming the Mossad for hacking Iran's air defenses and bringing this plane down, as happens every time Russian equipment malfunctions or is misused. Over the last week Iran has killed more of its own citizens than the US has killed in the last decade, what a bunch of geniuses.
     
  20. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    About the Russian reaction: Immediately after the news about the plane crash appeared in a military forum, the reaction was that it will be claimed that the Iranian air defenses have shot it:


    "Iraq has nothing to do with it - the Americans will now roll out how Iranian air defense forces shot down a passenger plane."

    And they expected all the usual things - the "evidence" for the sheeple with internet access being provided by Bellingcat, and the media using "intelligence sources", which of course have to remain hidden, as proofs. The Western propaganda machine is so predictable today ...
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    and why would the USA claim that Iran shot down the plane by mistake?
    What crazy motive can you come up with for the shooting down of a commercial plane?
     
  22. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    For the same reasons CptBork and RainbowSingularitz are so happy about it that they immediately use this claim as if it is a well-established fact and use it for anti-Iranian propaganda.

    If one wants to look at the evidence, https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/pentagon-accuses-iran-of-shooting-down-a-ukrainian-plane-but-its-evidence-is-flimsy.html is as usually worth to look at.
    There is, of course, none. Except as a false flag, so that one can claim that the political enemy made it. The usual cui bono. MH17 worked nicely for the anti-Russian propaganda, so why not repeat it? For people like CptBork any "highly likely" by some Western politician will be sufficient, evidence is not even necessary.

    So, let's hope that the propaganda simply misuses here a technical incident for anti-Iranian propaganda, instead of organizing this incident themselves.
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    but of course propaganda is not just the domain of the West... you do realise this don't you?
    moonoflabama is just as much a propaganda outlet as any other...relying on propaganda reports to accuse official reports of propaganda doesn't work...too well...
    Why do you trust them and not your own common sense?

    There are way too many independent sources including Iranian video verifying that two missiles were involved. Do they count for anything in your desire to claim fake intel?
    Why do you trust the Iranian story when they hadn't even started their investigation.
     
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