"Volume" is now measured in "kms"...??!!

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Again, a student brought this up - and referenced the following Thread :
http://sciforums.com/threads/black-holes-tutorial-based-on-observations-and-gr.152589/#post-3328762 ... "GR tells us that once any massive object is forced to undergo collapse, once it reaches a point called the Schwarzchild radius [which for a BH is the EH] then further collapse is compulsory. This means that if we squeeze the Sun into a volume of around 5 kms, it would reach its Schwarzchild radius, further collapse would continue and it would become a BH."

I was under the impression that "kms" was short for "Kilometers" - a measurement of "Distance"... or "Length"...

Here at OSU, "Volume" is (in Layman's Terms) a measurement of how much "Space" a particular object 'occupies' or 'takes up'...
It is most often referred to by a 3-dimensional amount (volume), expressed in a 'cubed' metric...i.e. "cubic inches", "cubic feet", "cubic centimeters", etc. ...

See : http://science-notebook.com/measure02-vol.html
or, : https://learnzillion.com/lesson_plans/7163-understand-volume-and-how-volume-is-measured

Has the standards of Science on SciForums 'devolved' to the point that "Volume" is now only a one-dimensional metric?
 
dumbest man on earth said:
http://sciforums.com/threads/black-holes-tutorial-based-on-observations-and-gr.152589/#post-3328762 ... "GR tells us that once any massive object is forced to undergo collapse, once it reaches a point called the Schwarzchild radius [which for a BH is the EH] then further collapse is compulsory. This means that if we squeeze the Sun into a volume of around 5 kms, it would reach its Schwarzchild radius, further collapse would continue and it would become a BH."
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Of course, if you weren't the dumbest man on earth you'd have quoted the post correctly, thus:
into a volume of around 5kms [which obviously would be the diameter]
 
Dywyddyr said:
Of course, if you weren't the dumbest man on earth you'd have quoted the post correctly, thus:
into a volume of around 5kms [which obviously would be the diameter]
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The OP, Post #1 , paragraph #5 of : http://sciforums.com/threads/black-holes-tutorial-based-on-observations-and-gr.152589/#post-3328762 ,

"GR tells us that once any massive object is forced to undergo collapse, once it reaches a point called the Schwarzchild radius [which for a BH is the EH] then further collapse is compulsory. This means that if we squeeze the Sun into a volume of around 5 kms, it would reach its Schwarzchild radius, further collapse would continue and it would become a BH."

I 'copy/pasted' the "quoted" content...
...thus, I "quoted the post correctly".
 
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dumbest man on earth said:
Has the standards of Science on SciForums 'devolved' to the point that "Volume" is now only a one-dimensional metric?
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I once lost a point on a chemistry assignment because I referred to the "area" of a molecular orbital. I carelessly used the word in the colloquial sense rather than the mathematical sense. I suppose I should have said "region".

More recently, I caught a PhD chemist on another forum making the same mistake. It happens.
 
krash661 said:
some individuals are simply pathetic.
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Getting away from the usual "patheticness"shown by the usual, let's talk about some interesting facts.
We already know that if we could "magically" squeeze the Sun to within a volume of 5 kms, we would breach its Schwarzchild radius and create a BH.
But what about some other solar system objects? If we could do the same with Earth, but squeeze it to within a volume of a small marble, its Schwarzchild radius would also be breached.....Jupiter would need to be squeezed within a volume of 4 mtrs, to breach its Schwarzchild radius.
In essence any massive object that can be squeezed to within its Schwarzchild radius automatically becomes a BH by definition. [total compulsory collapse is assured]
Another little facts on diameters and solar system bodies and their relations, that I learnt a long time ago is the relationship between the diameters of Earth/Jupiter/Sun.....Jupiter is approx 11 times the diameter of Earth, while the Sun is 11 times the diameter of Jupiter. Interesting? I think so.
 
dumbest man on earth said:
The OP, Post #1 , paragraph #5 of : http://sciforums.com/threads/black-holes-tutorial-based-on-observations-and-gr.152589/#post-3328762 ,

"GR tells us that once any massive object is forced to undergo collapse, once it reaches a point called the Schwarzchild radius [which for a BH is the EH] then further collapse is compulsory. This means that if we squeeze the Sun into a volume of around 5 kms, it would reach its Schwarzchild radius, further collapse would continue and it would become a BH."

I 'copy/pasted' the "quoted" content...
...thus, I "quoted the post correctly".
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Yes you did.
Apart from leaving out the words "[which obviously would be the diameter]".
 
paddoboy said:
Getting away from the usual "patheticness"shown by the usual, let's talk about some interesting facts.
We already know that if we could "magically" squeeze the Sun to within a volume of 5 kms, we would breach its Schwarzchild radius and create a BH.
But what about some other solar system objects? If we could do the same with Earth, but squeeze it to within a volume of a small marble, its Schwarzchild radius would also be breached.....Jupiter would need to be squeezed within a volume of 4 mtrs, to breach its Schwarzchild radius.
In essence any massive object that can be squeezed to within its Schwarzchild radius automatically becomes a BH by definition. [total compulsory collapse is assured]
Another little facts on diameters and solar system bodies and their relations, that I learnt a long time ago is the relationship between the diameters of Earth/Jupiter/Sun.....Jupiter is approx 11 times the diameter of Earth, while the Sun is 11 times the diameter of Jupiter. Interesting? I think so.
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i apologize, i should have been clear, i meant dumb guy, for creating such shenanigans.
again, some individuals are simply pathetic.
it was massively obvious, even to a blind person, that paddy was referring to vicinity.
 
krash661 said:
i apologize, i should have been clear, i meant dumb guy, for creating such shenanigans.
again, some individuals are simply pathetic.
it was massively obvious, even to a blind person, that paddy was referring to vicinity.
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I understood your post completely.
I just thought I'd add something of interest, and remove focus from our "dumb guy" friend, to use your expression. ;)
 
Dywyddyr said:
Yes you did.
Apart from leaving out the words "[which obviously would be the diameter]".
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...sorry, Dywyddyr, but what you continue to quote :"[which obviously would be the diameter]" IS NOT FROM and DOES NOT APPEAR in the OP...

Why must you continue to accuse me of "leaving out the words "[which obviously would be the diameter]" ", which ARE NOT FROM and DO NOT APPEAR in the OP?
 
dumbest man on earth said:
...sorry, Dywyddyr, but what you continue to quote :"[which obviously would be the diameter]" IS NOT FROM and DOES NOT APPEAR in the OP...
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Oh, you're right. My error.

And to show you're right here's the post by Paddo:
Again that's not what I said...perhaps english is your second language...
what I said.......
This means that if we squeeze the Sun into a volume of around 5 kms, it would reach its Schwarzchild radius, further collapse would continue and it would become a BH.
Which means that squeezing the Sun into a volume of around 5kms [which obviously would be the diameter] would mean a Schwarzchild radius of around 2.5 kms.
:rolleyes:
Obviously now going on your past "Modus operandi" that will be the last we hear of this fabricated illusion of yours, without any recognition of your error and stupidity...:rolleyes:
Post #7.

And here's what The God quoted:
Again that's not what I said...perhaps english is your second language...
what I said.......
This means that if we squeeze the Sun into a volume of around 5 kms, it would reach its Schwarzchild radius, further collapse would continue and it would become a BH.
Which means that squeezing the Sun into a volume of around 5kms [which obviously would be the diameter] would mean a Schwarzchild radius of around 2.5 kms.
Post #10.

Why must you continue to accuse me of "leaving out the words "[which obviously would be the diameter]" ", which ARE NOT FROM and DO NOT APPEAR in the OP?
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Why are you lying?
To help you slightly, find the relevant page and use CTRL-F, then type in the word "diameter" then just keep hitting return. You'll see it pops up in posts #1, #7 (the relevant one), #10 - twice (the other relevant one) and #12.
Tell me again how how those words "ARE NOT FROM and DO NOT APPEAR in the OP".
 
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