Vedic astrologer vs. a skeptic

swarm said:
Whether you like it or not, astrology has nothing scientific about it.

It would be nice if it did since that would pare off the deadwood and it would quickly be determined if there was anything at all left, but the plain and simple truth is there is no science involved and the times that scientists have studied it, it came up empty.
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who studied?
What did they study exactly?
what were the results?


kmguru said:
What type of scientists studied Astrology? The pseudoscientists? :D
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:rolleyes:
another statement of ignorance ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surya_Siddhanta
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
Oh for God's sake Greener. Take a pill. How much time do you and LG waste in a day thinking about people represented by a disembodied moniker on a faceless internet.
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Still strawmaning, huh? :eek:


As for instant karma - right back atcha!
 
DwayneD.L.Rabon said:
Oli..... Thier is little that is remarkable about your comments. you do not even understand the basics of science what you understand is that you can exspress your opinion... And appearantly that is one that indulges in negative commentary as a means of asserting your point. so really you are without content even in your dismisal of a certain occurance, event or fact.
One thing that it show also is your lack of education, and limited vision.... it is you who chose to live life this way you could have a better understanding if you spent the time trying to understand.
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As usual your post is a mix of poor grmmar, bad spelling and specious arguments.
And utterly incorrect.
 
Well Oli I sorry that it grazed your feelings, Its good that you can find some confidence in something, without it you would be at a loss completely.

None the less since you do not have the abilty to conduct science, wouldn't you like to qoute someone else that actually has some knowledge. After all you said utterly incorrect, so i assume you can demonstate at least some repeat of science conducted by some else that shows the study of astology to be false. Again you said it was false would you at least give us your evidence. Why? are you hiding your secret from the rest of us, share your evidence.

Silly Oli nothing to offer but "no" and "I don't know " or "you don't know"comments when will you know.

DwayneD.L.Rabon
 
DwayneD.L.Rabon said:
Well Oli I sorry that it grazed your feelings, Its good that you can find some confidence in something, without it you would be at a loss completely.
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Oops, wrong again - you haven't even touched my feelings.

None the less since you do not have the abilty to conduct science,
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Continuing the same mistaken assumption?
For shame.

wouldn't you like to qoute someone else that actually has some knowledge.
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Why should I quote someone else?
I'm quite capable of sticking up for myself with my own words.

After all you said utterly incorrect, so i assume you can demonstate at least some repeat of science conducted by some else that shows the study of astology to be false.
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And now you show your intensely poor grasp of reading comprehension: my comment "utterly incorrect" was appended to a quote of yours stating that I don't know the basics of science.
 
The fact that every study done using the scientific method has shown that it is false. (It's a fairly large clue to a scientist...)
 
Oli said:
As usual your post is a mix of poor grmmar, bad spelling and specious arguments.
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actually the literacy skills of many persons studying science is atrocious. I know at university many of them pay students in humanities to type up their assignments since it works out less painful that way.

And utterly incorrect.
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this is also a phenomena that crops up quite regularly in science too
 
lightgigantic said:
now could be a good time to check out the link in the OP
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I did. The accuracy was 69%, 63%, 89%, 71%, 74%, 66% etc.

When I was in college, I was about 85% accurate. I dropped out on making prediction and analysis for about 10 years. Then I was in China and they pushed me to do readings...I was again 85% correct. In one occasion I said this senior Chinese gentleman has two kids...everybody knows they are allowed only one. After a lot of discussion, he admitted to have two. It is hard to fake numbers.

The tool I used - Palmistry....why some of these things work, there may not be any scientific basis....
 
Well Oli, So what you are saying is that you or these scientist have Kicked the pail and because the Moon did not move as a result of your kicking the pail, you do not find evidence that supports the effect of stars or planets on human life in your opinion or observation.
So surely you think of your self as larger than the Moon! so your sense for focus and discovery is 2000 ft or less as in your preception you are larger than the Moon and your exsperiments of dectection failed.

If the light of the moon causes your eye to contract as a result of dialation from exsposer to light, that is the lunar effect of the moon. So is proof of effect.

DwayneD.L.Rabon
 
greenberg said:
Still strawmaning, huh? :eek:


As for instant karma - right back atcha!
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For some people an argument for gods or for aligning the planets to discern the person cannot be refuted. Its in their heads and is not leaving.

My terminology may be wrong here but.... While visiting a planetarium a couple years ago I was informed that the stars in the original Zodiac(my apologies Vedic lovers) astrological charts have all moved enough in the last 2000 years so that they now reside in different houses. Yet astrologers still come up with high ratings from their customers or believers even though they have not adjusted their charts to account for the movement of stars.

Stars do move. The Vedic astrologers account for this as I understand. The claim is that the Vedic astrologers are better at what? predicting? or delivering the goods to people who need to hear their life told to them?

Anyway, just how much more accurate is debatable. The claim is as I see it, better but only marginally better. The Zodiac astrologers , even with charts that indicate ancient star positions are damn near as good as the Vedics who actually track heavenly bodies. The fact is that the Vedics should be in a class by themselves, damn near perfect.

Why wasn't our expert tested alongside a Zodiac astrologer? At least we could have compared. And what about bias? In an obviously one sided test, what did you expect?
 
kmguru said:
I did. The accuracy was 69%, 63%, 89%, 71%, 74%, 66% etc.

When I was in college, I was about 85% accurate. I dropped out on making prediction and analysis for about 10 years. Then I was in China and they pushed me to do readings...I was again 85% correct. In one occasion I said this senior Chinese gentleman has two kids...everybody knows they are allowed only one. After a lot of discussion, he admitted to have two. It is hard to fake numbers.

The tool I used - Palmistry....why some of these things work, there may not be any scientific basis....
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did you see the bit about the ex-astrologer who said she realized she was using psychology?
.... but even if you simply went with photocopies of people's palms, 85% strikes you as a midway figure?
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
For some people an argument for gods or for aligning the planets to discern the person cannot be refuted. Its in their heads and is not leaving.

My terminology may be wrong here but.... While visiting a planetarium a couple years ago I was informed that the stars in the original Zodiac(my apologies Vedic lovers) astrological charts have all moved enough in the last 2000 years so that they now reside in different houses.

Yet astrologers still come up with high ratings from their customers or believers even though they have not adjusted their charts to account for the movement of stars.
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did you see the bit about the ex-astrologer who said she realized she was using psychology?
Stars do move. The Vedic astrologers account for this as I understand. The claim is that the Vedic astrologers are better at what? predicting? or delivering the goods to people who need to hear their life told to them?

Anyway, just how much more accurate is debatable.
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wait up

you open up with this tirade about how the zodiac has shifted and then acknowledge that the vedic paradigm doesn't work with that shifting zodiac .... yet now you somehow claim that this connection makes them both more or less culpable?
:wtf:
 
kmguru said:
Not Astronomy silly...Astrology...do not get confused....If Wolfram studied it, that would be something...
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He studied both actually. He did quite a bit of research into astrology and concluded it was bunk.

He did not come to the same conclution about parapsychology so you can't just dismiss him as closed minded either.


Not that you care, or you wouldn't be one of the faithful to begin with.
 
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