Unf**king Believable, A mosque to be built at Ground Zero

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by pavlosmarcos, Jun 8, 2010.

  1. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

    i wonder sometimes..
    like the ones claiming marijuana should stay illegal?
    or the 911 terrorists..?
    this may need to be expanded..
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  3. IamJoseph Banned Banned

    Its not a credible question. Christinaity has the obligation to deal with its deeds which continue and effect others, and Christians must demand this be done. Now we have two religions doing hail hitler salutes at the UN terrorising a small 4000 year nation, and everyone is pretending everything is normal. No - its not.

    I think christianity and Islam should make up their minds: are Jews born of the devil or the apes? Do Jews with beedy eyes and horns snigger when someone's lord is murdered or someones' prophet is murdered?

    Of course, if one reduces this to an ordinary case in an ordinary court, the judge will demand proof - the Hebrew law says two independent and reliable witnesses are required on charges of murder, and if the proof is found deficient, then the penalty is reversed on the false accusers. But both these religions have escaped any jurisdiction, even as they have become the greatest murderers of innocent people bar none. Why - because they signed up in the dotted line which guarantees them 100% immunity from all crimes?

    The next question will be, has anyone, anywhere, now or in past history - seen or heard of Jews perpetrating the acts they are acussed of by two religions - aside from the charges made by these accusers? The next question will be have the accusers perpetrated such deeds throughout their histories? Do these two religions really believe these questions will not be demanded of them - how so?

    Knock-knock! I do not believe in a wink-wink lord who will not ask such questions, nor can I ever be one who will not demand these questions at the top of the preamble.

    The list of un-anticipated qestions boggles.

    Which is the Jewish homeland. Why did Christianity bar the Jews from returning to their land when it begat power. Why was the Balfour corrupted and all Christian or Muslims remain silent. Can those who have stolen land and massacred the natives throughout their histories - accuse those who have never done so ever. Why is a 3-state called a 2-state. Why is Israel asked to negotiate with those who can never accept Israel's right to exist. Why has the Pope remained silent of blood libels and Protocols openly display in the Islamic world - when these heinous lies came from the Pope's backyard. Did over a million Jews sacrifice themselves to uphold the right to their belief - in the face of the Gospel writers, who forgot to mention this in their holy writ.
    Christianity and Islam should come of age and cease having a belief based on SUBJECT TO JEWS BEING BAD. This is not a belief. And Christians and Muslims must stop pretending it is. All for thine own good. The two king kongs can start by restoring the Balfour and apologise to Jews for calling wanton mass murderers of Jews as Palestineans - your Lord is surely embarrassed about it.

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  5. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

    If you say so...

    "If there were other gods
    in either [Heaven or Earth]
    besides God [Alone],
    they would both dissolve in chaos."

    "Devil worshiper" is slightly different from an idol worshipper.

    That is your range of knowledge.
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    the common usage of the words involve the worshiping but the actual definition of the words are about the belief in the existence of gods. their are elements in both christianity and judaism that imply the belief in the existence of more than one god
  8. IamJoseph Banned Banned

    This is agenda based madarasa BS. Monotheism in its purest and most pristine form was introduced via Judaism, and none and nothing has ever measured near it. You are not one anyone can seriously debate with: you read the command not to follow other gods as being an admission of other gods - which is banana logic, and one which contradicts all the five Mosaic books.

    Of course, Islam's eronous conclusion is wrong even grammatically: 'shall not' also means will not, will not prevail, it is wrong to believe so. It is also wrong historically: Jews were the only monotheists at one time, and alone faced existential wars to uphold this premise, while the pre-Islamic people, before they interacted with Jews - were consumed in polytheism.

    Christianity chose the Hebrew bible because it saw this belief system as supreme, even tossing its kin beliefs of Hellenism and Romanism. The world's institutions chose the Hebrew laws for the same reason.

    The fact is, in a sense there were other gods, at least this was humanity's perception, and it was very real to them - a parent would sacrifice their most cherished child for one of those false deities. So the 10 C's are speaking in consideration of man's nature and ways, but it is advocating a rejection, not a selection, of other gods.

    Islam is not monotheistic - because it attaches a name of its messenger as a condition of its monotheism. In contrast, Moses - the greatest human, does not have his name attached to any of 613 laws in the Hebrew bible! But any simple person knows - Islam is a new kid on the block - and Monotheism prevailed 2,600 years previously. Islam cannot teach Jews a damn thing - nor the world it seems.
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    I can understand as a religious fanatic you would attack schools but no it isn't BS it is based in the displinces involved.
    Monetheism predates Judiasm
    well except for the things that did.
    your projecting
    no its common sense. if there were truly no other gods the command would not have been needed.
    Not my problem if jews wanted it both ways

  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    What elements?
  11. keith1 Guest

    Yes, the Jews have historically been pushed around. They have a rich history of recorded data. Without recorded data, a "displaced" culture can be forgotten and "assimilated". Yes, the Christians and Muslims are pushy factions.
    Recent events like the fall of communist rule in the region, followed by a strong Christian advance into that vacuum, coupled with the added influx of U.S. forces onto Muslim territories, would naturally make Muslims nervous.

    Many Jewish bloodlines are dangerously inbred. Inbreeding causes health issues. Diversity is a way to prevent that.
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    the holy texts talk about people worshiping other gods and the whole thou shall not have any other gods before me
  13. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member


    Unf**king Believable! this thread is still on!
  14. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

    I think we should have mosques IN the buildings. Maybe that would keep them safe from future fanatics.

    Or would Christians just blow them up, then?
  15. keith1 Guest

    It is my understanding that there was a substantial Islamic presence in the building(s) that perished along with the other victims.

    (Because of this, the Quran would imply the hijacker terrorists did not get their heavenly harem. Quite the opposite).
  16. IamJoseph Banned Banned

    There is nothing surprising about Muslims blowing up Muslims in Mosques, even during religious festivals and natural dsasters. There seems only one mode of response from Muslims to any grieviences historically, and it has nothing to do with non-muslims.
  17. IamJoseph Banned Banned

    There is no in-bred here. The laws of incest, and what constitutes it, is nowhere more comprehensively described than in the Hebrew bible, detailing why marrying a nephew constitutes incest but not so with a niece! The resultant health issue you mention, is best affirmed by the longevity of the Jewish race, 4000 years and still going strong despite every attempt to erase them. Medicine was first separated from the ocult in the Hebrew bible.

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  18. IamJoseph Banned Banned

    Omissions will get you wherever you want to go - except the truth.

    Strangely, this law against not worshing other Gods was established 3,500 years ago, and since that time the people who did worship other Gods were not Jews but the Arabs, who were among the greatest polytheists in history!

    Further, while the Jews never had this trait [after the golden calf episode], constitute the only people who do not worship other gods ever, and withstood numerous existential wars to uphold this law. They rejected Islam because they saw no monotheism here in the attachment of Mohammed [other gods] as the condition which determines monotheism [no god w/o Mohammed!]. In contrast, Moses and Abraham's names are not attached as conditions of monotheism.

    How depraved that a Muslim will interpret NOT TO FOLLOW OTHER GODS as an admission of other gods being a reality? The reality is:


    A lie-by-omission is - surprise, surprise! - a lie.

    Guess why Moses, the greatest prophet and the only one who stood presence to presence with the creator - was asked to stand down with the people when the Sinai revelation happened. IOW, thou shalt not have any other gods, prophets, messengers, messiahs, names - before the Creator - because all percieved other gods is a folly. Thus no God w/o Mohammed is also a folly.

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  19. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    Hmmm. Either I misunderstood your original statement, or you understood mine. Or you don't feel it's... credible? :bugeye:

    Look, I wasted a lot of time on that post and I thought it had both content and purpose. NO ONE including you, whom I addressed, gave any coherent reply.


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    Did I fail somehow?

    Uh, I addressed you asking for clarification about religious free speech, and then you tell me that it is not a valid question. You go even further and ask about beady eyes and horns on Jews. Of course, you forgot hook nose.

    Uh, can you tell me how this is a reply to what I wrote? You previously responded to me with this..
    And I responded to what I thought you were saying. Now you just want to talk about Jews having horns?

    Huston? Invoking the Grand High Witch, are you?

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    Do you know what relevance your response had to what I wrote?
  20. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    Go start another Tunisia thread. :sleep:
  21. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    This is true, but not polytheistic in its essence. I consider it a point of tolerance.
  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    well under common usage(which in all honesty is generally what defines a word) it is pretty much what your saying but under the techincal dictionary definition( which I normally go with, I am kind of a snob like that) it is.
  23. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member


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