Understanding Depression


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Referring to http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Understanding_Depression/understanding.htm

At first glance this article, or rather series, offers unique insight into the nature of this finely debated and heated topic. Many arguments have come to be given regarding if depression truly exists or is a fantasy in the minds of those suffering from it. The better question may well be "is depression" a real phenomena or is it created only by our surroundings?

I myself find I do sleep much longer than most people, and when I wasn't taking Zoloft I'd sleep almost always in free time, only waking when work was needed. This would seemingly support the assertion that those suffering with depression dream more than those who are well. I can't ever recall feeling rested or relaxed when I would wake up from sleep, this seems to suggest R.E.M. is not occuring just as the article states.

It begins speaking of ruminations being the beginning of this cycle, and how they carry over into arousal which is never fully released. The idea emotional excitement is a cause of depression later is very different than anything we've seen before. Here it's suggested if you don't have a release mechanism for the underlying feelings they'll come back to interrupt your sleeping, then make you depressed.

Also stated is that depressive-thinking styles will bring upon more negative emotions, thereby increasing the amount of sleep you do. I myself find this to be accurate, the more depressed I am the longer I'll sleep, or the more I feel I must... even if it doesn't help.

When looking at the Cycle Of Depression chart we see a truth that's very difficult to ignore, forever linked are depressive thinking & anxiety which cause emotional aggitation / anger which has noplace to be expressed except in dreams. This will however effect your system for quit abit longer than just the moment it happens, this throws your entire system into chaos later-on.

At this point I still have impaired functioning, I can barely handle this job let alone a higher position (even though I may take one). The question is whether or not depression can ever be cured, and these cycles stopped.

I find Zoloft helps, but the information presented here seems to explain why. So now all I must ask is whether I can impliment something which will effectively rid me of the depression I might still have, and maybe free me to meet friends, socialize, and work more efficently without weirding people out.
If you are born like a slave than depression can not be cured, otherwise there is a chance.
Make a list of all the positive things that have happened in your life.
This will not be easy to do well and you may need a therapist to help.
Write each item out in as much detail as you can.
By focussing of the positive that is already there, you help defeat the voice inside that is telling you everything is hopeless, no good, negative and will always be that way. Not true !!

Next make a list of things you do now or could be doing now that you enjoy.
Try to think of ways to add to this list and have the courage to do them .... like a walk twice a week in that beautiful park nearby; or a conversation with that sweet secretary who is so much fun to be around.

Go see the movie Mask with Cher about a boy with a terrible disease.
Learn to "Make yourself well".

I was fortunate to have wonderful parents and a happy childhood. But I still got depressed now and then. i discovered the rule that if I got myself out of the house I invariably felt much better and forgot my troubles quickly.

It is a battle between the optimist and pessimist inside you.
When and if you decide to help the optimist stay well ahead, you will begin to get better.
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Referring to http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Understanding_Depression/understanding.htm
So now all I must ask is whether I can impliment something which will effectively rid me of the depression I might still have, and maybe free me to meet friends, socialize, and work more efficently without weirding people out.

Hardcore depression could be due to lack of Serotonin and other neurotransmitter as a result of chemical imbalance which could be caused by brain trauma and genetic defect.

Mild to moderate depression is caused by underlying life style and security issues (Maslow's heirarchy of needs). This can be managed initially through medication and then resolving those issues that aggravate the symptoms. Sometimes meditation can help with proper nutrition regimen that includes foods high in DHA, Omega-3, Choline etc.

The reason guided meditation can help is that the brain could unnecessarily put high weight to certain data (in a neural net framework) which results in the depletion of the neurotransmitters. By consciously readjusting neural gains for specific stimuli - one can balance the brain computations. That is why sometimes going to a shrink helps...but not always.
SOMETIMES.... ALOT ACTUALLY... i get depressed..

so... i take drugs,.... Ginsing... and ginko biloba... works great.

before i started useing the drugs...

i used to make myself think happy thoughts... id try to imagine how i felt when i was happy.... in a good mood...

i remmeber it... and i focus on feeling that way.

i sing little songs... and do a little dance..

after about 10 minutes.... my brain has forgotten it was depressed and switched over to happy mode... and i dont have to try anymore.

if you get sad..... feel sad... and accept it... your brain chemistry will adjust to fit your mental state.... you get more depressed... and it can become permanent.

so... i have found... in my own testing... that if i make myself feel happy... and act happy....

my brain... changes its chemistry to fit my belief.

i.e... i believe i am happy... and after 10 minutes. my brain adjusts... and it switches to happy mode.

try it..

sing a song.. do a dance... act as if you are so happy.... for 10 minutes..

try... and change your mental chemistry.

it works for me.

and if that fails... try ginsing.

Read a book by Jean Carper "Your Miracle Brain"...that may give you some ideas in the nutrition department....like taking Omega-3, eating fish, cooking with peanut and olive oil etc....
omega 3.. is great.... BUT NOT FOR DEPRESSION...

i know... i take 30 grams of omega 3 concentrate everyday.
thats 30 large pills.

i still feel depressed sometimes... and only ginsing and ginko seem to actually fight it off... for me anyway..

but then again... so does meth-amphedemine... or coffee.. so.

ive never tried.... & chocolate does nothing..
i try to limit my experimentation... i read the bottles...ginsing... works by adding ginsiniods to brain chemistry... thus increases nueral transmitter activity....

i find that large does clears the minds, and works like octane booster, bring up my mental performance by some small percentage... but just enough to keep my mind ingaged... and interested.

without the side effects of other drugs.


dude... seriously.... if your feeling weak and small and pathetic.

try some ginsing, and 12 mg of dhea a day...

and then dare to say you are feeling old tired, and incapable.

the dhea, becomes testosterone in your body... which boost adrenal gland output, and makes one feel..... strong.. confident... able.

its amazing stuff....

Dont allow depression to destroy yourlife... you must dedicate yourself to fighting... and using all at your disposal... like drugs.

but, as ive noted... dhea... is naturally occuring... and has been tested for over 70 years......... and is avalible over the counter.. anywhere.
and ginsing... has been used for 2000 years.


you must try everything... until you win.... and can keep winning.

yes... most anti-depressants... are not as effective as coffee for getting a human into a good mood.

i myself... have suffered from depression... for most of my life...

and i have learned this much... Depressed people.. dont need depressants, or things that reduce mental activity...

they need STIMULANTS... I DO ANYWAY.... coffee work good..

ginsing is better...

vitamin b's... are fantastic.

ginko biloba.. kicks ass to fight fatigue.

DHEA.. can take 20 years off your life...

Anything with a potential side effect like suicide.. (anti-depressants.) should be avioded at all times....


(MOST OLDER HUMANS... dont want to work.. or even try... thats why america is addicted to coffee....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
i know... i take 30 grams of omega 3 concentrate everyday.
thats 30 large pills.

I take fish oil every day, along with a multivitamin/multimineral. But 30 grams?! Damn, isn't that toxic?
Back on topic I read this interesting article on existential depression in gifted individuals:

t has been my experience that gifted and talented persons are more likely to experience a type of depression referred to as existential depression. Although an episode of existential depression may be precipitated in anyone by a major loss or the threat of a loss which highlights the transient nature of life, persons of higher intellectual ability are more prone to experience existential depression spontaneously. Sometimes this existential depression is tied into the positive disintegration experience referred to by Dabrowski (1996).

Existential depression is a depression that arises when an individual confronts certain basic issues of existence. Yalom (1980) describes four such issues (or "ultimate concerns")--death, freedom, isolation and meaninglessness. Death is an inevitable occurrence. Freedom, in an existential sense, refers to the absence of external structure. That is, humans do not enter a world which is inherently structured. We must give the world a structure which we ourselves create. Isolation recognizes that no matter how close we become to another person, a gap always remains, and we are nonetheless alone. Meaninglessness stems from the first three. If we must die, if we construct our own world, and if each of us is ultimately alone, then what meaning does life have?

Because gifted children are able to consider the possibilities of how things might be, they tend to be idealists. However, they are simultaneously able to see that the world is falling short of how it might be. Because they are intense, gifted children feel keenly the disappointment and frustration which occurs when ideals are not reached. Similarly, these youngsters quickly spot the inconsistencies, arbitrariness and absurdities in society and in the behaviors of those around them. Traditions are questioned or challenged. For example, why do we put such tight sex-role or age-role restrictions on people? Why do people engage in hypocritical behaviors in which they say one thing and then do another? Why do people say things they really do not mean at all? Why are so many people so unthinking and uncaring in their dealings with others? How much difference in the world can one person's life make?

When gifted children try to share these concerns with others, they are usually met with reactions ranging from puzzlement to hostility. They discover that others, particularly of their age, clearly do not share these concerns, but instead are focused on more concrete issues and on fitting in with others' expectations. Often by even first grade, these youngsters, particularly the more highly gifted ones, feel isolated from their peers and perhaps from their families as they find that others are not prepared to discuss such weighty concerns.

Anyone have these experiences?
I do. I have very high highs and very low lows and am taking meds to keep me from going up or down to far. I'm very glad these drugs i'm taking are available and wouldn't be here if it weren't for them. I stopped once for just a day and found myself in a really bad way but got back on the meds ASAP.Just don't stop taking the meds or else there's going to be problems that you can't handle without some type of help. People who stop taking their meds can go really off the wall and could kill.