Under atheism, whose opinion decides right and wrong, and why does it?

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Mind Over Matter

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How did atheism beneift people under the leaders of such atheists as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc? And under atheism, whose opinion decides right and wrong, and why does it?
 
Pol Pot didn't eliminate religion, in fact religious freedom was granted under his founding documents. Stalin as well allowed the Russian Orthodox Church. Mao was his own religion. Under your chosen regime, you are obligated to follow various rules which may or may not cover current events. Religion isn't a moral system as such, just a list. When it comes down to it, everyone has to decide right and wrong for themselves.
 
spidergoat said:
Pol Pot didn't eliminate religion, in fact religious freedom was granted under his founding documents. Stalin as well allowed the Russian Orthodox Church. Mao was his own religion. Under your chosen regime, you are obligated to follow various rules which may or may not cover current events. Religion isn't a moral system as such, just a list. When it comes down to it, everyone has to decide right and wrong for themselves.
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But a thing is true because of its logical distinctions. Its not just grammar. For example, in order for you to recognize that there is in fact two apples, such requires to be aware of the objectively rational/logical distinction between the two, which may involve qualitative or quantitative distinctions. You are aware of that objectively rational/logical distinction, and thats why you recognize it as two apples and not one.
 
Yes, some things can be said to be true, but in your example, there is evidence.

Under religion, who's opinion decides right and wrong?
 
Mind Over Matter said:
There is no such thing as personal opinion when it comes to religion, which is based on absolute truth revealed by God.
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Which God? Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Christian, Native American, Shinto, Sikhism? None of these agree on what God or Gods want.
 
Mind Over Matter said:
How did atheism beneift people under the leaders of such atheists as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc?
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It didn't. Atheism is an absence of a very specific belief. It is not the presence of any kind of philosophical framework. Your question is like asking how did not having a belief in invisible pink unicorns benefit the CEO of Starbucks?

Mind Over Matter said:
And under atheism, whose opinion decides right and wrong, and why does it?
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There is no such thing as "under atheism". It is not a philsophical framework. But if you are wondering where notions of right and wrong come from, it's form your genetics. Your brain is hardwired to judge people and events. You evaluate people and events against two primary criteria: "are you/is that mean?" and "are you/is that valuable?".
 
Mind Over Matter said:
There is no such thing as personal opinion when it comes to religion, which is based on absolute truth revealed by God.
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I'll forgoe the obvious question here...

Let's assume that there is a god and she did reveal absolute truth to someone, how can you tell which "truths" came from god, and which were written by liars claiming to have heard god, and which were later edited by liars?
 
You want absolutely objective morality there is no such thing, however we can get quite close to universal morality through things like the international declaration of human rights, the deceleration of civil and political rights, the deceleration on the rights of the child.
 
spidergoat said:
Pol Pot didn't eliminate religion, in fact religious freedom was granted under his founding documents. Stalin as well allowed the Russian Orthodox Church. Mao was his own religion. Under your chosen regime, you are obligated to follow various rules which may or may not cover current events. Religion isn't a moral system as such, just a list. When it comes down to it, everyone has to decide right and wrong for themselves.
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I don't know were you got this that uncle Joseph allowed Russian orthodox church , He made museum of churches .
 
spidergoat said:
Which God? Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Christian, Native American, Shinto, Sikhism? None of these agree on what God or Gods want.
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Let each one speak for itself. We know there is only one Gog , but what happen there are many intellectual with many explanation and interpretation . but the teaching of Jesus is very simple and no rituals to follow .
 
Crunchy Cat said:
It didn't. Atheism is an absence of a very specific belief. It is not the presence of any kind of philosophical framework. Your question is like asking how did not having a belief in invisible pink unicorns benefit the CEO of Starbucks?

Yes there is a philosophy " there is no god " that is nothing new . I remember reading in the book of proverbs " The fool said in his heart there is no god "tha is about 3000 years old .
Basically. the way I see The believer have to account for his action to his Master . The atheist does not have to give account to anybody but to himself. The same way as the Buddhist philosopher ( different then the religious buddhist )

There is no such thing as "under atheism". It is not a philsophical framework. But if you are wondering where notions of right and wrong come from, it's form your genetics. Your brain is hardwired to judge people and events. You evaluate people and events against two primary criteria: "are you/is that mean?" and "are you/is that valuable?".
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I don't lnpw about that.
 
Crunchy Cat said:
It didn't. Atheism is an absence of a very specific belief. It is not the presence of any kind of philosophical framework. Your question is like asking how did not having a belief in invisible pink unicorns benefit the CEO of Starbucks?

Yes there is a philosophy " there is no god " that is nothing new . I remember reading in the book of proverbs " The fool said in his heart there is no god "tha is about 3000 years old .
Basically. the way I see The believer have to account for his action to his Master . The atheist does not have to give account to anybody but to himself. The same way as the Buddhist philosopher ( different then the religious buddhist )

There is no such thing as "under atheism". It is not a philsophical framework. But if you are wondering where notions of right and wrong come from, it's form your genetics. Your brain is hardwired to judge people and events. You evaluate people and events against two primary criteria: "are you/is that mean?" and "are you/is that valuable?".
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I don't know about that.
 
gmilam said:
I'll forgoe the obvious question here...

Let's assume that there is a god and she did reveal absolute truth to someone, how can you tell which "truths" came from god, and which were written by liars claiming to have heard god, and which were later edited by liars?
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Here we come with the truth.
We believe we all ( you to )have a father in heaven. Our father is a good father , he teaches us how the get alone with our brothers an sisters , help the one in need , respect Him his creation . Basically that is all. The one who teaches the opposite mist be wrong
The 10 commandments are the basis .
 
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Those of us who, through lack of belief in such, do not bow to an external moral authority...don't have an external moral authority.

It's onboard.
 
gmilam said:
I'll forgoe the obvious question here...

Let's assume that there is a god and she did reveal absolute truth to someone, how can you tell which "truths" came from god, and which were written by liars claiming to have heard god, and which were later edited by liars?
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One knows what is true, and from God, by listening to the Church that His Son, Jesus established in the first century AD.
 
Mind Over Matter said:
One knows what is true, and from God, by listening to the Church that His Son, Jesus established in the first century AD.
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There are many brands of Christianity with many contradictory teachings. Many fundamentalist Christians actually believe the Catholic church is the anti-christ. Once again, how can one tell which are truthful and which are liars?
 
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