UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

wegs said:
I'm trying to post a link to an article here, and it's lengthy, and I want to edit the name, but add the text of the link, and it's posting the entire link. Is the 'edit link' (renaming it) not working? :?
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[#2 reply] Okay, this ultimately boiled down to the "Edit" post malfunctioning, for some reason? A technical issue?

Or maybe the "Toggle BB code" symbol button freezing up or disappearing prior to posting, so that the link code could not be modified, after testing it in Preview mode?

Given that the first possibility above doesn't actually add up, since there would be a post present. And if it was altered to the content of Post#10,878, then that means "Edit" would have been working after all.
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wegs said:
I'm trying to post a link to an article here, and it's lengthy, and I want to edit the name, but add the text of the link, and it's posting the entire link. Is the 'edit link' (renaming it) not working? :?
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What's wrong with just having a long URL? It still only takes us one click. I must be missing something here. Or you could travel to Wales and learn how they deal with this....

www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk
 
Omg it worked! Sorry everyone, I inserted the URL in the “text” space and not the “URL” space, under the link icon. ~ Sigh ~ Mea culpa :wink:

That wasn’t the initial article I ran across but it’s the same topic; I’ll find the other one tomorrow.
 
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"It's an unusual size, unusual acceleration, unusual course and unusual behavior ..."

It's none of these things.

It's comet-sized.

It's acceleration is due to the sun, like any other object.

OK yes, its course is from outside the solar system - that's uncommon, but not suspicious.

What unusual behavior?



This is just click bait. :(
 
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wegs said:
Okay, wait lol…let me test this.

Proof of space aliens?
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Sounds like the same paper he was talking about back in July. Loeb actually came across as more reserved about this object than the sensationalism he espoused concerning ʻOumuamua:

"Our paper is largely a pedagogical exercise, with interesting realizations worthy of a record in the scientific literature. By far, the most likely outcome will be that 3I/ATLAS is a completely natural interstellar object, probably a comet, and we await the astronomical data to support this likely origin..." --Is the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS alien technology?

EDIT: Quoted the wrong post initially. Now corrected.
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DaveC426913 said:
"It's an unusual size, unusual acceleration, unusual course and unusual behavior ..."

It's none of these things.

It's comet-sized.

It's acceleration is due to the sun, like any other object.

OK yes, its course is from outside the solar system - that's uncommon, but not suspicious.

What unusual behavior?



This is just click bait. :(
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I know, that’s why I’m posting it here, in the not-so-serious section.
 
C C said:
Sounds like the same paper he was talking about back in July. Loeb actually came across as more reserved about this object than the sensationalism he espoused concerning ʻOumuamua:

"Our paper is largely a pedagogical exercise, with interesting realizations worthy of a record in the scientific literature. By far, the most likely outcome will be that 3I/ATLAS is a completely natural interstellar object, probably a comet, and we await the astronomical data to support this likely origin..." --Is the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS alien technology?

EDIT: Quoted the wrong post initially. Now corrected.
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The consequences, should the hypothesis turn out to be correct, could potentially be dire for humanity, and would possibly require defensive measures to be undertaken (though these might prove futile).

Why even bother mentioning that? If “the most likely outcome” will be a natural space object, why mention aliens at all. I thought that was an odd “exercise,” but here we are. lol
 
wegs said:
The consequences, should the hypothesis turn out to be correct, could potentially be dire for humanity, and would possibly require defensive measures to be undertaken (though these might prove futile).

Why even bother mentioning that? If “the most likely outcome” will be a natural space object, why mention aliens at all. I thought that was an odd “exercise,” but here we are. lol
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As he states earlier, 3I/ATLAS provides an excuse for exploring existential threats and security measures in the context of the dark forest hypothesis. Or IOW, gives Loeb, Hibberd, and Crowl an opportunity to play philosophers formulating a tentative prescription for _X_ possibility. ;)

In theory, 3I/ATLAS might have been an interesting prospect for panspermia, if Earth could have magically detected it years earlier, and had a probe loaded with the most extremophile microorganisms (cold and radiation resistant) ready to intercept with and burrow into it. But quite impossible to know ahead of time that it was approaching the doorstep, given its size. NASA doesn't want to contaminate Mars before it verifies whether or not it has its own dormant organisms. But when it comes to worlds light-years away that it has no shot at ever reaching and exploring, along with the very slim possibility of 3I/ATLAS ever seeding anything thousands or millions of years from now... The ethical issues seem moot.
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DaveC426913 said:
"It's an unusual size, unusual acceleration, unusual course and unusual behavior ..."

It's none of these things.

It's comet-sized.

It's acceleration is due to the sun, like any other object.

OK yes, its course is from outside the solar system - that's uncommon, but not suspicious.

What unusual behavior?



This is just click bait. :(
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Times of India.

And Avi “Frontal” Loeb again. :rolleyes:
 
Unidentified drone crashes in Poland

Polish authorities believe it's likely a drone, and not alien technology. Shocking, I know. Personally, I think it's a little reckless to use ''unidentified flying object'' or the acronym in headlines like this, because they know the source of the crash is most likely from a mundane source, but it wouldn't be as attention-grabbing. My ''title'' above is more appropriate, in my opinion. Nothing click bait-ish about it, just the truth. There is still a lot to investigate about this object crashing, but it's not a space alien craft.
 
Seems to roughly match the time of a massive missile and drone attack by Russia on far western Ukraine yesterday. Seems like this might not be entirely coincidence.
 
C C said:
Okay, no more "it's just a pedagogical exercise" caveats and other reservations. Avi Loeb seems to have gone the full monty now. You knew he would eventually drop the appearance of conservatism.

Does 3I/ATLAS generate its own light?
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/does-3i-atlas-generate-its-own-light-e9775594afc5
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Before he goes Full Frontal Loeb, he seems to allow the possibility of shedding ice....

Another possibility for the steep brightness profile is that the scattering halo is made of icy particles that get evaporated as they move towards the Sun from the warm Sun-facing side of 3I/ATLAS. This would explain why there is no tail of these scattering particles. The required evaporation time must be of order 10 minutes but it is unclear whether this would lead to the observed 1/R⁴ brightness profile.

Maybe a good idea to resolve what is "unclear" before opening a hailing frequency?
 
Also, was wondering if Chandra CXO has had a look at the object. Any X-ray emissions could indicate something having a more cometary interaction with solar wind and magnetic field. Not a conventional comet, of course, but there are natural anomalous objects all over the place. Checking... doesn't seem Chandra has done anything. And is facing budget problems from the Drown the Baby administration.

I also have to question the estimate of ten gigawatts. Feels like someone has been squeezing the datasets.
 
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TheVat said:
Also, was wondering if Chandra CXO has had a look at the object. Any X-ray emissions could indicate something having a more cometary interaction with solar wind and magnetic field. Not a conventional comet, of course, but there are natural anomalous objects all over the place. Checking... doesn't seem Chandra has done anything. And is facing budget problems from the Drown the Baby administration.

I also have to question the estimate of ten gigawatts. Feels like someone has been squeezing the datasets.
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Yep, need more than the Hubble observations. A French site claims that JWS, TESS, and the Neil Gehrels Swift Observatory will take a gander at 3I/ATLAN later on. The Gemini North telescope, of course, also captured it in mundanely back in July.

John Brandenburg -- who is actually dancing far deeper in X_Files land than Avi Loeb -- is another one who began claiming that it is not behaving like a comet, and classifies it more like the two previous interstellar objects. Doesn't seem to be implying that it's a spaceship, though. But he certainly has the "antigravity drive" and "nuclear war on Mars" credentials to go there. ;)
  • (Aug 10) 3I/ATLAS acting like Oumuamua? Physicist says ‘be alert!’
    https://i3atlas.com/articles/3i-atlas-acting-like-oumuamua

    Plasma Physicist Dr. John Brandenburg shares why he believes interstellar object 3I/ATLAS is not a comet, comparing it to Oumuamua and 2I/Borisov in light of unusual outgassing activity far from the Sun.
 
If this ‘thing’ was a black hole at 3.5 kilometre across, why is it still existing and not evaporated via Hawking radiation long ago??
Not too sure why Avi Loeb mentions a black hole.
From CC’s Avi Loeb link
"I first calculated that a primordial black hole with a Hawking temperature of 1,000 degrees Kelvin would produce only 20 nanowatts of power, clearly insufficient to power 3I/ATLAS. "
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/does-3i-atlas-generate-its-own-light-e9775594afc5
 
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C C said:
John Brandenburg -- who is actually dancing far deeper in X_Files land than Avi Loeb -- is another one who began claiming that it is not behaving like a comet, and classifies it more like the two previous interstellar objects. Doesn't seem to be implying that it's a spaceship, though.
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No, Brandenburg's concerto of comments is so far not overly breathless. All he's saying is that it emitted water vapor too far out from the sun, where it would be too cold to volatilize (or sublime, I guess would be more accurate) from the standard cometary slushball. Which is what Oumuamua was doing. Of course, Brandenburg does lean in a bit when he compares 31 to an egg on a counter cooking itself. He seems to be saying hey, this is wild and crazy, folks. As in "there's a heat source there and it's not the Sun." I would go with the conjecture that other chemistry could be receiving weak heat in 31 that allows some exothermic reaction to proceed and then drive ice sublimation. But I don't think it's somebody firing retro rockets or a course change - for one thing, why would that produce a big water vapor signature? Steampunk interstellar travel? ;)
 
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